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Thread: How Many Iraqis Died in the Iraq War?[W:496]

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    re: How Many Iraqis Died in the Iraq War?[W:496]

    Quote Originally Posted by 66gardeners View Post
    Killed as a result of them living in a war zone.
    But that's not true. The 1 million figure includes pretty much all deaths. The study was funded by George Soros, published by the journal that brought us "vaccines cause autism" and was conducted by the Saddam crony who was in charge of blaming the US for everything.

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    re: How Many Iraqis Died in the Iraq War?[W:496]

    Quote Originally Posted by Geoist View Post
    By your rationale we should have invaded Cambodia, Rwanda, and Sudan. Heck, we should be invading Saudi Arabia since their government is one of the worst abuser of human rights. Oh wait, we're friends with Saudi Arabia. Nevermind.

    When will you guys begin to realize this war had nothing to do with human rights abuses?
    Do you recognize context and priorities and their place in decision making?

    Maybe for you it doesn't have anything to do with human rights abuses. That's your decision. For me, it has always been about such. I served and I support for my reasons, you can have yours. But, hey, do us a favor and don't ascribe motives to other people. Just ascribe them to yourself, thanks.

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    re: How Many Iraqis Died in the Iraq War?[W:496]

    Quote Originally Posted by ecofarm View Post
    Do you recognize context and priorities and their place in decision making?
    Yes, I do.

    Maybe for you it doesn't have anything to do with human rights abuses. That's your decision. For me, it has always been about such.
    Whatever keeps your conscience 'clear.'



    I served and I support for my reasons, you can have yours. But, hey, do us a favor and don't ascribe motives to other people. Just ascribe them to yourself, thanks.
    And the government had its motives. You really think the State cared about human rights abuses when it has been financially supporting the worst of those abusers all these years?
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    re: How Many Iraqis Died in the Iraq War?[W:496]

    Quote Originally Posted by AliHajiSheik View Post
    It is all about oil. Would we have cared if Iraq had invaded Kuwait in the first place if it weren't for oil? Certainly not as much as we (the coalition) did. You are a bit all over the board with your agenda. I thought the topic was the Iraqi civilian deaths and your assertion that they died because of the WMD claims.

    Has my point be so persuasive that you have abandoned that and gone on to oil?
    No. We are comparing scumbags by relativity. I don't think The First Moron's killing of 115,000 plus Iraqis is any different than Saddam killing 115,000 plus Iraqis.

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    re: How Many Iraqis Died in the Iraq War?[W:496]

    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisL View Post
    "Killed in war" is a rather vague term. A lot of Iraqis were killed by insurgents with roadside bombs, car bombs, suicide bombers, etc.
    Because we brought the war to their homes.

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    re: How Many Iraqis Died in the Iraq War?[W:496]

    Quote Originally Posted by Geoist View Post
    And the government had its motives. You really think the State cared about human rights abuses when it has been financially supporting the worst of those abusers all these years?
    It appears that the concept of priorities and the fact that the US cannot do everything at the same time, and thus must adopt a variety of policies, is beyond you. Perhaps someday absolutism will satisfy my philosophical and intellectual needs, but in the past and today I find it lacking.

    Aside from the absolutism, you appear stuck in the past as interpreted by yourself. That's a nasty cage.

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    re: How Many Iraqis Died in the Iraq War?[W:496]

    Quote Originally Posted by DaveFagan View Post
    How Many Iraqis Died in the Iraq War? "And when respondents were asked in a different poll (AP/Ipsos, 2/12/07-2/15/07) to give their "best guess" about civilian deaths, 24 percent chose the option of 1,001 to 5,000 deaths.
    These answers are, of course, way off the mark. Estimates of the death toll range from about 174,000 (Iraq Body Count, 3/19/13) to over a million (Opinion Business Research, cited in Congressional Research Service, 10/7/10). Even at the times of those U.S. polls, death estimates were far beyond the public's estimates." "
    And when they are, they could be a massive undercount. A December 1, 2011CBS Evening News report told viewers that "more than 50,000 Iraqi civilians were killed in the war" (FAIR Action Alert, 12/2/11). This figure was sourced to iCasualties.org, which had one of the lowest estimates of civilian casualties at the time and warned readers that the number was probably a severe undercount.
    The "corrected" figure that CBS put forth 11 days later was 115,676 civilians killed, and sourced to Iraq Body Count–still one of the most conservative estimates to be found (FAIR Activism Update, 12/13/11)." Does this huge discrepancy reflect poorly on our Major Media for lack of reporting? Is it OK for the USA to kill 100,000 to 1,000,000 Iraqis so it's not really news. It's OK, they died because of a figmentary WMD causation. Who gives a rat's ass.
    Quote Originally Posted by DaveFagan View Post
    Because we brought the war to their homes.
    You know my first thought when I saw the topic of the OP was, which war? The one they started with Iran? The one they started with Kuwait? Then I realized it was the one they caused with coalition of countries.

    But really, how may died as a result of Saddam attacking Iran and Kuwait. Just an interesting comparison.

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    re: How Many Iraqis Died in the Iraq War?[W:496]

    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    Right...but admitting that the vast majority of Iraqis killed have been killed by Islamic terrorists (errrrr...insurgents) wouldnt play well with the cool kids. Even thought the Iraqis wrote and voted on their own constitution, elected their own government and were supported in training their police, military, and rebuilding their infrastructure and given at least a real shot at democracy, and even though the people killing Iraqis are Islamic extremists...its still and always the eeeeeevil Bush's fault. And we will continue to be given threads like this as long as Obama continues to look like **** and people like the OP feel the need to divert attention from the current goings on.
    That's not true. I don't give a rat's ass about Obama. I'm a Green. I hope to strike a resonant chord in the collective conscience of this board. We as a Nation are guilty of the deaths of those 115,000+ Iraqis.

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    re: How Many Iraqis Died in the Iraq War?[W:496]

    Quote Originally Posted by DaveFagan View Post
    No. We are comparing scumbags by relativity. I don't think The First Moron's killing of 115,000 plus Iraqis is any different than Saddam killing 115,000 plus Iraqis.
    Grotesquely false equivalence.


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