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Thread: How Many Iraqis Died in the Iraq War?[W:496]

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    re: How Many Iraqis Died in the Iraq War?[W:496]

    Quote Originally Posted by DaveFagan View Post
    How Many Iraqis Died in the Iraq War? "And when respondents were asked in a different poll (AP/Ipsos, 2/12/07-2/15/07) to give their "best guess" about civilian deaths, 24 percent chose the option of 1,001 to 5,000 deaths.
    These answers are, of course, way off the mark. Estimates of the death toll range from about 174,000 (Iraq Body Count, 3/19/13) to over a million (Opinion Business Research, cited in Congressional Research Service, 10/7/10). Even at the times of those U.S. polls, death estimates were far beyond the public's estimates." "
    And when they are, they could be a massive undercount. A December 1, 2011CBS Evening News report told viewers that "more than 50,000 Iraqi civilians were killed in the war" (FAIR Action Alert, 12/2/11). This figure was sourced to iCasualties.org, which had one of the lowest estimates of civilian casualties at the time and warned readers that the number was probably a severe undercount.
    The "corrected" figure that CBS put forth 11 days later was 115,676 civilians killed, and sourced to Iraq Body Count–still one of the most conservative estimates to be found (FAIR Activism Update, 12/13/11)." Does this huge discrepancy reflect poorly on our Major Media for lack of reporting? Is it OK for the USA to kill 100,000 to 1,000,000 Iraqis so it's not really news. It's OK, they died because of a figmentary WMD causation. Who gives a rat's ass.
    "Killed in war" is a rather vague term. A lot of Iraqis were killed by insurgents with roadside bombs, car bombs, suicide bombers, etc.

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    re: How Many Iraqis Died in the Iraq War?[W:496]

    Quote Originally Posted by Morality Games View Post
    As you argued it, Hatuey was foolish because he wasn't aware of these values or how they added up (even though he was being rhetorical).
    Unfortunately, for him, he has continued to demonstrate just that:

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    None of those other people? Hmmm...

    Study: Israel leads in ignoring Security Council resolutions - Israel News | Haaretz Daily Newspaper

    So there we have 3 examples of 3 countries who've violated the same if not nearly twice as many UN resolutions as Iraq, yet no invasion.

    See?

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    re: How Many Iraqis Died in the Iraq War?[W:496]

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    None of those other people? Hmmm...

    Study: Israel leads in ignoring Security Council resolutions - Israel News | Haaretz Daily Newspaper



    So there we have 3 examples of 3 countries who've violated the same if not nearly twice as many UN resolutions as Iraq, yet no invasion.
    Israel has gassed its own citizens and its neighboring citizens? Israel has defied UN Cease fire demands re weapons stockpiles? Israel is paying families of suicide bombers, allowing terrorists to hid ein their country and train in their country?

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    re: How Many Iraqis Died in the Iraq War?[W:496]

    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisL View Post
    For one thing, we only get a small portion of our oil from the ME.

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    After looking at this chart, it seems to me that if oil was all we wanted, why don't we just invade Canada and seize it. That seems to me to be a lot easier than engaging in a war half way around the world. Maybe we should ask those who are convinced our only interest in Iraq was the oil that question.
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    re: How Many Iraqis Died in the Iraq War?[W:496]

    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    Israel has gassed its own citizens and its neighboring citizens? Israel has defied UN Cease fire demands re weapons stockpiles? Israel is paying families of suicide bombers, allowing terrorists to hid ein their country and train in their country?
    You are missing the point here. The point is that Israel and the U.S. are inherently evil and therefore must be condemned. Facts don't enter into the equation.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Wiggen View Post
    You are missing the point here. The point is that Israel and the U.S. are inherently evil and therefore must be condemned. Facts don't enter into the equation.
    Ah! My bad! Sometimes I actually take what he says seriously.

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    re: How Many Iraqis Died in the Iraq War?[W:496]

    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisL View Post
    "Killed in war" is a rather vague term. A lot of Iraqis were killed by insurgents with roadside bombs, car bombs, suicide bombers, etc.
    Right...but admitting that the vast majority of Iraqis killed have been killed by Islamic terrorists (errrrr...insurgents) wouldnt play well with the cool kids. Even thought the Iraqis wrote and voted on their own constitution, elected their own government and were supported in training their police, military, and rebuilding their infrastructure and given at least a real shot at democracy, and even though the people killing Iraqis are Islamic extremists...its still and always the eeeeeevil Bush's fault. And we will continue to be given threads like this as long as Obama continues to look like **** and people like the OP feel the need to divert attention from the current goings on.

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    re: How Many Iraqis Died in the Iraq War?[W:496]

    Considering the fact that the conflict lasted for almost ten years, I'd say that a figure at or a little above 50K probably is a fairly reasonable estimate.

    However, one has to keep in mind that that number actually isn't all that bad when considered in historical context. Allied forces could end up killing that many civilians or more in a single week of bombing during WW2, Saddam killed at least two or three times that number of non-combatants during the Iran-Iraq War, and the Russians very likely killed a quarter of a million people in Chechnya during the 1990s and early 2000s without so much as batting an eyelash.

    50,000 dead for an almost ten year occupation is actually a pretty decent record, all things considered.

    Furthermore, it should be noted that US and Coalition forces didn't even kill most of the people listed in that figure. The vast majority of them were the victims of sectarian violence or the indiscriminate terror bombing campaigns staged by the insurgency.
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    re: How Many Iraqis Died in the Iraq War?[W:496]

    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    And all those dems that voted to support the war...and all of them that cited Iraqs WMDs both before and after Bush was elected. Surely you include them...right?
    Logic: yeah it was a ****ty decision going over there, but at least the other party voted for it too!
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    re: How Many Iraqis Died in the Iraq War?[W:496]

    Quote Originally Posted by ecofarm View Post
    Hundreds of thousands, via genocide alone. Starvation for hundreds of thousands more. Invading Iran cost hundreds of thousands of Iraqis. Many hundreds of thousands (more than a million), over an about 20 year period, through genocide, starvation and the invasion of neighbors alone. This does not (as your 1 million stat does) include natural deaths and routine accidents. If we include non-direct murder, natural events and accidents, then Saddam's number approaches 10 million.
    By your rationale we should have invaded Cambodia, Rwanda, and Sudan. Heck, we should be invading Saudi Arabia since their government is one of the worst abuser of human rights. Oh wait, we're friends with Saudi Arabia. Nevermind.

    When will you guys begin to realize this war had nothing to do with human rights abuses?
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