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Thread: How Many Iraqis Died in the Iraq War?[W:496]

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    Re: How Many Iraqis Died in the Iraq War?[W:496]

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    It did help them in these ways:

    1) first and foremost gave them a rallying call that did increase membership. We elevated the status if a relatively small group. And gave them a place to focus on us.

    2) gave a training ground that they would not have had otherwise. They learned a lot thy can use later on.

    3) gave real propaganda they could use. Even gave credence to prior OBL claims.
    Training ground was never an issue. Like I stated, they have Yemen and much of Africa. France is dealing with them in Mali. Pakistan gives them safe haven, though they pretend otherwise by simply ignoring the presence. None of these involved an American military force. They did not and don't lack from a series of options when it comes to training grounds.

    All Iraq did was give radicals an excuse to be radical. It's like stirring up you soup. The stuff rises to the top. Those that were created because of a love affair with Saddam Hussein can die along with those who actually thought Osama Bin Laden was a hero in the first place.

    And there's no propaganda they can use other than to show how depraved Muslims act without a dictator. The fact that we introduced a Democratic system and gave them the freedom to vote is not something Al-Queda can paint as evil. I don't think that was their plan. Their plan actually backfired. Our response did not erupt the region into Islamic praise and defense. One would have to acknowledge that they were defending Saddam Hussein's regime in order to tie it into Islam. And nobody cared enough to flock to Afghanistan to defend the Tali-Ban. Even other radical organizations distanced themselves from Al-Queda because they knew on 9/12 that they went too far. Chants of "Democracy" is what Osama Bin Laden died hearing. That and his name (apparently).
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    Re: How Many Iraqis Died in the Iraq War?[W:496]

    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisL View Post
    Meh

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    Re: How Many Iraqis Died in the Iraq War?[W:496]

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    It's not a matter of can or not. It's will or not. It is not something we can make happen. In the end, it will up to them and not us.
    Exactly. That is the whole point of Iraqi votes and our departure. That is the whole point of the Arab Spring. So far they are doing fine without us considering their culture. They just need to address those bad borders. That is what will kill them.

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    Re: How Many Iraqis Died in the Iraq War?[W:496]

    Quote Originally Posted by ecofarm View Post
    That was really quite silly.

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    Re: How Many Iraqis Died in the Iraq War?[W:496]

    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisL View Post
    That was really quite silly.

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    Re: How Many Iraqis Died in the Iraq War?[W:496]

    Quote Originally Posted by MSgt View Post
    Training ground was never an issue. Like I stated, they have Yemen and much of Africa. France is dealing with them in Mali. Pakistan gives them safe haven, though they pretend otherwise by simply ignoring the presence. None of these involved an American military force. They did not and don't lack from a series of options when it comes to training grounds.

    All Iraq did was give radicals an excuse to be radical. It's like stirring up you soup. The stuff rises to the top. Those that were created because of a love affair with Saddam Hussein can die along with those who actually thought Osama Bin Laden was a hero in the first place.

    And there's no propaganda they can use other than to show how depraved Muslims act without a dictator. The fact that we introduced a Democratic system and gave them the freedom to vote is not something Al-Queda can paint as evil. I don't think that was their plan. Their plan actually backfired. Our response did not erupt the region into Islamic praise and defense. One would have to acknowledge that they were defending Saddam Hussein's regime in order to tie it into Islam. Chants of "Democracy" is what Osama Bin Laden died hearing. That and his name (apparently).
    Training ground is an issue regardless of Yeman or any place else. They trained in Iraq fighting us much more direct.

    Most those who went to Iraq had never belonged to any terrorist group before, so it's reasonable to conclude that they had success recruiting.

    No, they could show our imperialism, not to mention our poor judgement in using torture.

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    Re: How Many Iraqis Died in the Iraq War?[W:496]

    Quote Originally Posted by MSgt View Post
    Exactly. That is the whole point of Iraqi votes and our departure. That is the whole point of the Arab Spring. So far they are doing fine without us considering their culture. They just need to address those bad borders. That is what will kill them.
    It has now been thrust upon them. Risky. No base with which to build on. No leaders who started it. We cants control our boarders, so don't put too much faith there.

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    Re: How Many Iraqis Died in the Iraq War?[W:496]

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    Training ground is an issue regardless of Yeman or any place else. They trained in Iraq fighting us much more direct.
    And most of them died like many are going to die in Syria.

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    Most those who went to Iraq had never belonged to any terrorist group before, so it's reasonable to conclude that they had success recruiting.
    Of course they did. Radicals had a real life cause in their midst. It was their funeral. Radicals are also seeing a developed cause in Syria. They will die there too.

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    No, they could show our imperialism, not to mention our poor judgement in using torture.
    No Islamic radical cares about any of this. They have already been indoctrinated to the idea of the "Great Satan" and have already accepted that their culture's failure is of the West's doing. Anything else we do is dismissed. This is why we can save countless Muslims from slaughter in the Balkans in the 1990s without any sense of thanks from the Islamic civilization. But let a picture of Army soldiers and prisoners at Abu-Ghraib get out and the "Great Satan" reveals himself? No....our enemies were always our enemies. Iraq just gave them a place to go local.

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    Re: How Many Iraqis Died in the Iraq War?[W:496]

    Quote Originally Posted by MSgt View Post
    And most of them died like many are going to die in Syria.



    Of course they did. Radicals had a real life cause in their midst. It was their funeral. Radicals are also seeing a developed cause in Syria. They will die there too.



    No Islamic radical cares about any of this. They have already been indoctrinated to the idea of the "Great Satan" and have already accepted that their culture's failure is of the West's doing. Anything else we do is dismissed. This is why we can save countless Muslims from slaughter in the Balkans in the 1990s without any sense of thanks from the Islamic civilization. But let a picture of Army soldiers and prisoners at Abu-Ghraib get out and the "Great Satan" reveals himself? No....our enemies were always our enemies. Iraq just gave them a place to go local.
    It's the kind of thing that's people towards radicalism. There is not a set number of radicals. Events play a role creating them.

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    Re: How Many Iraqis Died in the Iraq War?[W:496]

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    It has now been thrust upon them. Risky. No base with which to build on. No leaders who started it. We cants control our boarders, so don't put too much faith there.
    But they didn't have any leadership in the Arab Spring either. This is why the Muslim Brotherhood won so many seats in Egypt. They were the only organization that was organized. We are talking about a civilization that has no real leadership other than religious men and the few radicals/reformers that defied dictators. They have no experience politically to maneuver from outside a dictator's watch so they will stumble. Frankly I don't care if they fail as long as they come to the realization that they are responsible for their own failures and leave us alone. They wanted democracy, now they got it. Now they can prove to the world one way or another. In the end, I live in Colorado. My civilization is successful.

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