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Thread: How Many Iraqis Died in the Iraq War?[W:496]

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    Re: How Many Iraqis Died in the Iraq War?[W:496]

    Quote Originally Posted by Geoist View Post
    However, there is a level of reverence to military service/institution that is borderline (if not outright) idolatry.
    I've never seen such, including my time in the military.

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    Re: How Many Iraqis Died in the Iraq War?[W:496]

    Quote Originally Posted by Porchev View Post
    Saddam was a very bad dude to his own people and our action was better than inaction. I agree with our former President when he said:

    "If we fail to respond today, Saddam and all those who would follow in his footsteps will be emboldened tomorrow."
    Yes, follow in his footsteps in not playing ball with the US government. This has really nothing to do with Saddam's human rights abuses as we were buddies with Saddam for a time back when he was committing rape and murder (and continue to be close friends with major abusers like Saudi Arabia).
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    Re: How Many Iraqis Died in the Iraq War?[W:496]

    Quote Originally Posted by ecofarm View Post
    I've never seen such, including my time in the military.
    Well, as I stated before, percentage-wise I have met far more veterans who are cynical of the military industrial complex than the average American. But if you are going to be in denial that there is widespread militarist/nationalist thinking in this country then I don't think we are going to get much further in this debate.
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    Re: How Many Iraqis Died in the Iraq War?[W:496]

    Quote Originally Posted by Geoist View Post
    Well, as I stated before, percentage-wise I have met far more veterans who are cynical of the military industrial complex than the average American. But if you are going to be in denial that there is widespread militarist/nationalist thinking in this country then I don't think we are going to get much further in this debate.
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    Geo, we're slipping into the absolutism again. Of course there is militarism and nationalism in the US. Far more of the latter than the former. Nonetheless, I've never known or met anyone that worshiped the military such that their reverence could be described as idolatry. Everyone I know has complaints about the military of some sort. I don't know anyone who thinks that it or US military actions have been perfect.

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    Re: How Many Iraqis Died in the Iraq War?[W:496]

    Quote Originally Posted by ecofarm View Post
    Do you accept the position that Obama engineered the IRS scandal?

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    The trouble is that you don't realize that accepting something without clear evidence is what is partisan. I'm find with an investigation, and if found guilty convicting. And should be done from the outside, as should have the torture scandal.

    But I spoke of setting the stage, gave a clear argument on how that would likely ave been done. I haven't convicted anyone. But I'd love to hear you address the premise.

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    Re: How Many Iraqis Died in the Iraq War?[W:496]

    Way more than Saddam ever killed.

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    Re: How Many Iraqis Died in the Iraq War?[W:496]

    Quote Originally Posted by Geoist View Post
    Yes, follow in his footsteps in not playing ball with the US government. This has really nothing to do with Saddam's human rights abuses as we were buddies with Saddam for a time back when he was committing rape and murder (and continue to be close friends with major abusers like Saudi Arabia).
    So what, he's gone now and the world is better off without him.

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    Re: How Many Iraqis Died in the Iraq War?[W:496]

    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisL View Post
    So what, he's gone now and the world is better off without him.
    How cavalier. I wonder how we'd all feel walking in the shoes of those who lost loved ones during the invasion? The fact us we added injury to injury.

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    Re: How Many Iraqis Died in the Iraq War?[W:496]

    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisL View Post
    So what, he's gone now and the world is better off without him.
    With tens of thousands of lives lost and Iraqis living in fear of terrorist attacks just to put one man down I think that statement is very much debatable.
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    Re: How Many Iraqis Died in the Iraq War?[W:496]

    Quote Originally Posted by Geoist View Post
    With tens of thousands of lives lost and Iraqis living in fear of terrorist attacks just to put one man down I think that statement is very much debatable.
    I think being better off with out Saddam is more of a feel good statement than anything else. Saddam's are far too common in the world to think just killing them off will solve the problem. Most often they are merely replaced by some else, as bad or worse.

    AUSTAN GOOLSBEE: I think the world vests too much power, certainly in the president, probably in Washington in general for its influence on the economy, because most all of the economy has nothing to do with the government.

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