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Thread: How Many Iraqis Died in the Iraq War?[W:496]

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    Re: How Many Iraqis Died in the Iraq War?[W:496]

    I wonder:

    If the US is responsible for Iraqi insurgents setting up car bombs to kill innocent Iraqis, was Saddam responsible for the US attacking Iraq in the first place? I dunno if I'm playing this game correctly. Am I supposed to apply its twisted argumentation through to its logical end (that someone is always to blame other than the person who actually did it), or am I just supposed to stop when I've arrived at someone I don't like, and then blame them?

    Can anyone help?
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    Re: How Many Iraqis Died in the Iraq War?[W:496]

    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    Actually Obama did the best thing he could do in Iraq which was absolutely nothing. Bush had already signed an agreement to withdraw troops. All Obama had to do was not screw it up...which he managed to pull off. Unfortunately, Bush did not leave a playbook for a way ahead in Afghanistan so Obama has been floundering. He initially copied the Bush sure which Candidate Obama was opposed to. The problem with that was that his 'surge' was not accomplanied by a specific mission and as a result, we have spent 5 years there not really going after the Taliban, not really having a plan to leave, not really knowing WTF we are doing. And his biggest PR concern there is the Afghanistan mission is the one he said he agreed with and should have engaged in so he cant even blame that one on Bush.
    It certainly does seem like it. They don't tell us much anymore about it either. I find that annoying. Some of us would like to hear about what's happening. It seems as if a good portion of the media just ignores Afghanistan completely.

    As a Commander in Chief he has pretty much copied the Bush playbook on everything knowing that the mindless liberals that support him wouldnt give half a damn if he ran against it or not.
    Definitely.

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    Re: How Many Iraqis Died in the Iraq War?[W:496]

    Quote Originally Posted by ecofarm View Post
    WRONG.

    They are dead. 400k children DIED, of starvation, because Saddam sold that amount of baby formula and cereal to gather cash for institutionalized rape - in the years JUST PRIOR to the invasion.
    I have you the numbers, going back before my claim. Feel free to pull up counter numbers.

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    Re: How Many Iraqis Died in the Iraq War?[W:496]

    Quote Originally Posted by ecofarm View Post
    The evidence is clear. Saddam sold food that could have prevented the starvation of 400k children so that he could continue to build rape palaces.



    The kidnapping, rape, passing down and eventual murder of highschool girls was a matter of state policy, sanctioned by the state and beyond legal rebuke.
    Link a credible source please.

    Quote Originally Posted by OscarB63 View Post
    he had a special palace built on "Lost Lake", called the "perfume palace" where his sons and their henchmen took multitudes of hapless Iraqi girls and women to rape and murder them.
    Nonsense. Give me a credible source verifying this outrageous claim. And, please, no soldier of fortune bs or forums speculating.

    I want hard forensic evidence. Without actual proof, it didn't happen.

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    Re: How Many Iraqis Died in the Iraq War?[W:496]

    Quote Originally Posted by calamity View Post
    I want hard forensic evidence. Without actual proof, it didn't happen.
    Yet you believe the most ridiculous crap about Bush. Claiming he approved the crimes in Abu Graib is even more pathetic than claiming Obama directed the IRS scandal. Yeah, we need absolute proof, except for left-fringe partisan hack conspiracy theory. Bush and Rummy planned rape at Abu Graib, but Saddam never did anything wrong without absolute proof.

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    Re: How Many Iraqis Died in the Iraq War?[W:496]

    Quote Originally Posted by ecofarm View Post
    Yet you believe the most ridiculous crap about Bush. Claiming he approved the crimes in Abu Graib is even more pathetic than claiming Obama directed the IRS scandal. Yeah, we need absolute proof, except for left-fringe partisan hack conspiracy theory. Bush and Rummy planned rape at Abu Graib, but Saddam never did anything wrong without absolute proof.
    What was approved, and proven--if not admitted to--by those up high was the "enhanced interrogation" method used, including sexual bull****, and a lax policy on enforcing discipline which allowed for rapes and other abuses, like those fools snapping pictures of the crap they were doing to prisoners.

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    Re: How Many Iraqis Died in the Iraq War?[W:496]

    Quote Originally Posted by ecofarm View Post
    Yet you believe the most ridiculous crap about Bush. Claiming he approved the crimes in Abu Graib is even more pathetic than claiming Obama directed the IRS scandal. Yeah, we need absolute proof, except for left-fringe partisan hack conspiracy theory. Bush and Rummy planned rape at Abu Graib, but Saddam never did anything wrong without absolute proof.
    His administration set the stage. You might consider the bad barrel makers:

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    Re: How Many Iraqis Died in the Iraq War?[W:496]

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    His administration set the stage. You might consider the bad barrel makers:

    Philip Zimbardo: The psychology of evil | Video on TED.com

    Do you accept the position that Obama engineered the IRS scandal?

    This is a big opportunity for you - to discover a partisan perspective for what it is. Perhaps we'll have a break-through.

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    Re: How Many Iraqis Died in the Iraq War?[W:496]

    Quote Originally Posted by ecofarm View Post
    Do you accept the position that Obama engineered the IRS scandal?

    This is a big opportunity for you - to discover a partisan perspective for what it is. Perhaps we'll have a break-through.
    Wasn't the IRS scandal "engineered" by a Republican appointee? That Obama sure is one smart feller, convincing the enemy to spy on itself.

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    Re: How Many Iraqis Died in the Iraq War?[W:496]

    Quote Originally Posted by ecofarm View Post
    You misunderstand.

    I've never met anyone, in the civilian or military world, that worships the military. Every single person that I've ever met has criticisms of the military. Every single person that I've ever met has things about the military with which they do not agree, be that policy and/or actions.
    As I stated before, everyone has SOMETHING they don't like about the military. That is not really what is being debated here. However, there is a level of reverence to military service/institution that is borderline (if not outright) idolatry. I am not talking about getting down on hands and knees praying, but when a the so-called 'religious' belt out the national anthem with more enthusiasm than a hymn, or when they get more excited about our soldiers killing Muslims over missionaries giving aide and shelter to the innocent (especially Muslim innocents), I think there is an argument to be made for idolatry.

    I've met plenty of people who thank teachers, cops, doctors and even meter maids. I've met people who thank those who work in soup kitchens, and I do so as well. None of them, nor I, have ever worshiped the accompanying institution.
    Comparing the level of reverence between a meter maid and a soldier is absolutely ridiculous. And for the third time, I am not simply talking about saying "Thank you."
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