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    re: How Many Iraqis Died in the Iraq War?[W:496]

    Quote Originally Posted by Geoist View Post
    There is nothing about a conspiracy in what I said or in that article. It is simply a social condition that is misguided imo.
    Well, it appears the I and everyone I've ever known has escaped this BS that you claim exists. I've never known anyone who worships the military. I've never known anyone without some kind of criticism of the military. I've never known anyone that is ok with everything the military has ever done. I've never met anyone who believes that everything the military does is right and just (like God). Including the people I met in the military.

    Have you ever considered that you might be the only person to have suffered this affliction and, perhaps, it's all to do with you?

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    re: How Many Iraqis Died in the Iraq War?[W:496]

    Quote Originally Posted by ecofarm View Post
    Well, it appears the I and everyone I've ever known has escaped this BS that you claim exists. I've never known anyone who worships the military. I've never known anyone without some kind of criticism of the military. I've never known anyone that is ok with everything the military has ever done. I've never met anyone who believes that everything the military does is right and just (like God). Including the people I met in the military.
    Some supporters of nationalism/militarism may criticize certain individuals and minor strategies but almost never question the overall policies or institution itself. Nationalists/militarists tend to support our foreign interventions wholeheartedly and without question. Critics of our militarism are thought of as "unpatriotic" or even "traitors." I have known many of them myself. Most of them not in the military. Interestingly enough, those who have served have come out quite cynical and critical of our State and the military.

    Have you ever considered that you might be the only person to have suffered this affliction and, perhaps, it's all to do with you?
    I am shocked you have never heard criticism of American nationalism/militarism before.
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    re: How Many Iraqis Died in the Iraq War?[W:496]

    Quote Originally Posted by Geoist View Post
    I am shocked you have never heard criticism of American nationalism/militarism before.
    You misunderstand.

    I've never met anyone, in the civilian or military world, that worships the military. Every single person that I've ever met has criticisms of the military. Every single person that I've ever met has things about the military with which they do not agree, be that policy and/or actions.

    I've met plenty of people who thank teachers, cops, doctors and even meter maids. I've met people who thank those who work in soup kitchens, and I do so as well. None of them, nor I, have ever worshiped the accompanying institution.

    Maybe it's just you.

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    re: How Many Iraqis Died in the Iraq War?[W:496]

    Quote Originally Posted by ecofarm View Post
    WRONG.

    They are dead. 400k children DIED, of starvation, because Saddam sold that amount of baby formula and cereal to gather cash for institutionalized rape - in the years JUST PRIOR to the invasion.
    Listen to what you're saying. "Saddam stole food out of babies mouths so that his regime could rape more women."

    And, you wonder why we think you're brainwashed? Dude that crap sounds even more simple-minded than George's "They hate us for our freedoms."

    The country's economic conditions worsened during the 1990s, and at the turn of the 21st century, Iraq's economy started to grow again as several states ignored U.N. sanctions. In the wake of the September 11 attacks of 2001, the United States, under President George W. Bush, initiated a Global War on Terrorism, and labelled Iraq as a part of an "Axis of Evil". The United States, and several other allied countries, invaded Iraq in March 2003, and the Ba'athist Iraqi government was deposed less than a month later.
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ba'athist_Iraq

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    re: How Many Iraqis Died in the Iraq War?[W:496]

    Quote Originally Posted by calamity View Post
    Listen to what you're saying. "Saddam stole food out of babies mouths so that he could rape more women."
    Saddam sold food to the tune of 400k dead children, institutionalized rape was funded with that money - in the years just before the war. Deal with it.

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    Re: How Many Iraqis Died in the Iraq War?[W:496]

    Saddam was a very bad dude to his own people and our action was better than inaction. I agree with our former President when he said:

    "If we fail to respond today, Saddam and all those who would follow in his footsteps will be emboldened tomorrow."

    "Heavy as they are, the costs of action must be weighed against the price of inaction. If Saddam defies the world and we fail to respond, we will face a far greater threat in the future. Saddam will strike again at his neighbors. He will make war on his own people. And mark my words; he will develop weapons of mass destruction. He will deploy them, and he will use them. Because we're acting today, it is less likely that we will face these dangers in the future."

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    Re: How Many Iraqis Died in the Iraq War?[W:496]

    Quote Originally Posted by ecofarm View Post
    Saddam sold food to the tune of 400k dead children, institutionalized rape was funded with that money - in the years just before the war. Deal with it.
    That's bull. The only time Saddam intentionally killed 400,000 people was when he was gassing Kurds. Sanctions starved the children. It's a hell of a twist on reality to say Saddam starved them so he could continue institutional rape.

    Now, if you argued that Uday was a serial rapist, I'd agree. But this other stuff, the "institutionalized rape" is...well, you mentioned the "Conspiracy Forum". I suggest you take that unsubstantiated crap there.

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    Re: How Many Iraqis Died in the Iraq War?[W:496]

    Quote Originally Posted by calamity View Post
    That's bull. The only time Saddam intentionally killed 400,000 people was when he was gassing Kurds. Sanctions starved the children. It's a hell of a twist on reality to say Saddam starved them so he could continue institutional rape.
    The evidence is clear. Saddam sold food that could have prevented the starvation of 400k children so that he could continue to build rape palaces.

    Now, if you argued that Uday was a serial rapist, I'd agree. But this other stuff, the "institutionalized rape" is...well, you mentioned the "Conspiracy Forum". I suggest you take that unsubstantiated crap there.
    The kidnapping, rape, passing down and eventual murder of highschool girls was a matter of state policy, sanctioned by the state and beyond legal rebuke.

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    Re: How Many Iraqis Died in the Iraq War?[W:496]

    Quote Originally Posted by ecofarm View Post
    Saddam sold food to the tune of 400k dead children, institutionalized rape was funded with that money - in the years just before the war. Deal with it.
    he had a special palace built on "Lost Lake", called the "perfume palace" where his sons and their henchmen took multitudes of hapless Iraqi girls and women to rape and murder them.
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