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    re: How Many Iraqis Died in the Iraq War?[W:496]

    Quote Originally Posted by Geoist View Post
    So you think an action can be both selfish and selfless (altruistic). And yet, you said you do not believe in altruism. Which is it?
    I don't believe in altruism, though things may be altruistic (meaning having such qualities).

    It's really not so much to grasp. Just abandon absolutism.

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    re: How Many Iraqis Died in the Iraq War?[W:496]

    Quote Originally Posted by ecofarm View Post
    Look

    If I drop my keys and you pick them up for me, I will thank you. Not because I think you did it out of altruism but just because I appreciate you picking up the keys.
    When you compare saying "thanks" for returning keys to the level of idolatry that goes on for the military then you are comparing apples to oranges.
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    re: How Many Iraqis Died in the Iraq War?[W:496]

    Quote Originally Posted by ecofarm View Post
    I don't believe in altruism, though things may be altruistic.

    It's really not so much to grasp.
    Sorry I don't have your level of understanding, but this makes no sense whatsoever. Altruistic is simply an adjective of altruism.
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    re: How Many Iraqis Died in the Iraq War?[W:496]

    Quote Originally Posted by Geoist View Post
    Sorry I don't have your level of understanding, but this makes no sense whatsoever. Altruistic is simply an adjective of altruism.
    Ok, let's try this:

    I don't believe in communism, but things can be communistic. Have you ever seen communism? I haven't. Though there are things (particularly, philosophy and perhaps even policy) that can be considered to have communist qualities.

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    re: How Many Iraqis Died in the Iraq War?[W:496]

    Quote Originally Posted by Geoist View Post
    When you compare saying "thanks" for returning keys to the level of idolatry that goes on for the military then you are comparing apples to oranges.
    Idolatry is the worship of an object. What object is being worshiped when one thanks another for their service (whatever service that may be)?

    There's nothing about object worship in thanking a teacher, a doctor, a cop, a firefighter or a soldier for their service to the community. It doesn't mean that anyone worships schools, hospitals, police stations, fire stations or the military.

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    re: How Many Iraqis Died in the Iraq War?[W:496]

    Quote Originally Posted by Geoist View Post
    I never said we should never appreciate anything. For example, I appreciate the works of Ernest Hemingway. However, I think there is a difference between appreciating an accomplishment, and revering as 'altruistic' certain positions as we do with military service. It is practically to the point of idolatry.
    Most of us see military service as an opportunity for the server. It's like a politician. They don't do it as a public service. They do it to open doors and enhance their own chances at a better life. So, in a lot of ways, a career-soldier and Ted Kennedy have a lot in common.

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    re: How Many Iraqis Died in the Iraq War?[W:496]

    Quote Originally Posted by ecofarm View Post
    Ok, let's try this:

    I don't believe in communism, but things can be communistic. Have you ever seen communism? I haven't. Though there are things (particularly, philosophy and perhaps even policy) that can be considered to have communist qualities.
    Once again, apples and oranges. How can an action be altruistic (and not altruism) if there are selfish motives?
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    re: How Many Iraqis Died in the Iraq War?[W:496]

    Quote Originally Posted by ecofarm View Post
    Idolatry is the worship of an object. What object is being worshiped when one thanks another for their service (whatever service that may be)?
    There's nothing about object worship in thanking a teacher, a doctor, a cop, a firefighter or a soldier for their service to the community. It doesn't mean that anyone worships schools, hospitals, police stations, fire stations or the military.
    Idolatry is a pejorative term for the worship of an idol, a physical object such as a cult image, as a god,[1] or practices believed to verge on worship, such as giving undue honour and regard to created forms other than God.
    Catechism of The Catholic Church, passage 2113, p.460, Geoffrey Chapman, 1999

    And I am not just talking about saying "thank you" (though it seems odd to say it when one has no idea what the person did in the service or what their motives were for joining.) Military people are held in reverence in a manner not seen with any other profession. You cannot deny this.
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    re: How Many Iraqis Died in the Iraq War?[W:496]

    Quote Originally Posted by ecofarm View Post
    Your claims are BS:

    1. That Saddam did not kill hundreds of thousands of children, on purpose, just prior to the war.
    2. That Saddam did not kill in excess of 1m Iraqis, just according to the big stuff, during his dictatorship.
    3. That Saddam therefore killed less than the coalition.
    4. That Iraq would have been all happiness and joy if not for the invasion.

    All BS.



    That's a 2004 article from notorious pillow biters.
    Of course it's 2004. The war began in 2003.

    Please, if you can't comment on what I actually claimed, refrain from being silly. I've support my claim. I'm waiting for you to actually address it.

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    re: How Many Iraqis Died in the Iraq War?[W:496]

    Quote Originally Posted by Geoist View Post
    Idolatry is a pejorative term for the worship of an idol, a physical object such as a cult image, as a god,[1] or practices believed to verge on worship, such as giving undue honour and regard to created forms other than God.
    Catechism of The Catholic Church, passage 2113, p.460, Geoffrey Chapman, 1999

    And I am not just talking about saying "thank you" (though it seems odd to say it when one has no idea what the person did in the service or what their motives were for joining.) Military people are held in reverence in a manner not seen with any other profession. You cannot deny this.
    Saying thank you to someone for their service does not mean that one worships the institution to which they are attached. If I thank a waiter at the Olive Garden, it does not mean that I worship the 'Great Garden of Olives which brings all good things to mankind'.

    Why can't you thank someone without worshiping an institution? It seems you've attached an entirely unrealistic perspective on common courtesy and appreciation.

    Why do you wage this inquisition on appreciation?



    HOW DARE you appreciate anyone's actions! Idolater!

    haha Nonsense.

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