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    re: How Many Iraqis Died in the Iraq War?[W:496]

    Quote Originally Posted by Geoist View Post
    My definition was not wrong. And one could commit an altruistic action and still benefit in some way, it is just not done for outwardly selfish reasons. If you think putting your life on the line every day for the supposed purpose of helping the unfortunate (as you claimed) is not altruistic then really no action is.
    Altruism is an absolute. Until you grasp that, I can't help you about this.

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    re: How Many Iraqis Died in the Iraq War?[W:496]

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    Most thinking they were voting for us to leave.


    Yep.
    Like you would know. I'm not gonna argue against your personal version of history. I've shown that you are totally wrong about Saddam killing hundreds of thousands just prior to the invasion, I've shown the 50k/year Saddam killed just based on the really big stuff. There's no where left to go.

    Go ahead and invent your own history. I'm not gonna argue against your fantasy.

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    re: How Many Iraqis Died in the Iraq War?[W:496]

    Quote Originally Posted by ecofarm View Post
    How can you ignore the intentional starvation of 400k children?



    Based on your crystal ball that contradicts all known history and reality.


    And you know why, Boo? You did make that claim:



    WRONG. Obviously wrong. An elementary school child could gather the sources necessary to see the idiocy of that claim!

    How do you explain forgetting what you claimed just hours ago??
    I'm not, but the deaths did not equal 400k. He was not killing at that level.

    Besides, our sanctions also played a role.

    Yes, we killed much more by invading than we would have otherwise. I don't try to play games. I take the whole of what is said. You should as well. I've been very clear about this. We'd have. More honest debate if you did.

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    re: How Many Iraqis Died in the Iraq War?[W:496]

    Quote Originally Posted by ecofarm View Post
    Altruism is an absolute. Until you grasp that, I can't help you about this.
    Actually I don't believe your definition is possible. The 'true' altruism you describe doesn't exist imo. But then we are getting into philosophical debates which I don't care for.
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    re: How Many Iraqis Died in the Iraq War?[W:496]

    Quote Originally Posted by ecofarm View Post
    Like you would know. I'm not gonna argue against your personal version of history. I've shown that you are totally wrong about Saddam killing hundreds of thousands just prior to the invasion, I've shown the 50k/year Saddam killed just based on the really big stuff. There's no where left to go.

    Go ahead and invent your own history. I'm not gonna argue against your fantasy.
    No you have not. But there was a poll back then of Iraqis, and that is what was reported. I linked it several times back then, which is why I remember it. You should have paid attention.

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    re: How Many Iraqis Died in the Iraq War?[W:496]

    Quote Originally Posted by Geoist View Post
    Actually I don't believe your definition is possible. The 'true' altruism you describe doesn't exist imo. But then we are getting into philosophical debates which I don't care for.
    Then we agree. Altruism does not exist. I do what makes me happy. If helping others makes me happy, I'm not altruist. I'm just doing what I like. I believe everyone does what they want. I don't believe in blaming others for our actions. That goes for "but they did it first" and "but I did it for them". Every action must be justified based on its merits in context, but pointing fingers at others is pretty much always BS.

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    re: How Many Iraqis Died in the Iraq War?[W:496]

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    No you have not. But there was a poll back then of Iraqis, and that is what was reported. I linked it several times back then, which is why I remember it. You should have paid attention.
    Let me know when you recognize the basic numbers of the Saddam dictatorship, and when they occurred, and grasp their implications. When that rudimentary history is within your understanding, perhaps your crystal ball will not look like a Christmas snow globe of happiness and joy.

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    re: How Many Iraqis Died in the Iraq War?[W:496]

    Quote Originally Posted by ecofarm View Post
    Let me know when you recognize the basic numbers of the Saddam dictatorship, and when they occurred, and grasp their implications. When that rudimentary history is within your understanding, perhaps your crystal ball will not look like a Christmas snow globe of happiness and joy.
    I already know those things. This is not magic, but sound foresight. Anyone thinking could have predicted what happened, and frankly did.

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    re: How Many Iraqis Died in the Iraq War?[W:496]

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    I already know those things. This is not magic, but sound foresight. Anyone thinking could have predicted what happened, and frankly did.
    If you are willing to recognize reality, let's review:

    80's
    Aggressive invasion of Iran, 500k Iraqi killed.
    Genocide of the Kurds, 200k dead, chems on towns of 10000 - women and children dead in the streets
    Aggressive invasion of Kuwait
    Intentional destruction of the Persian Gulf's deep water coral, eco-terrorism

    90's
    Genocide of the Marsh Arabs, 50k dead in a massive ecologic disaster when Saddam drained the land to kill them
    Violation of 17 Chapter 7 UNSCRs
    Firing on no-fly zones instituted to prevent further genocide
    Institutionalized rape

    00's
    Fake WMD program perpetuated in order to stave off the Iranian regime
    Food proceeds sold to support institutional rape, 400k children (of the opposing faction, of course) starved to death



    Based upon that, you think Iraq's future was violence free?

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    re: How Many Iraqis Died in the Iraq War?[W:496]

    Quote Originally Posted by ecofarm View Post
    Food that was provided during food-for-oil was discovered in surrounding countries. It was sufficient to prevent the starvation of 400k children that did starve. Of course, more than that starved, but we can identify 400k live-child worth of baby formula and child cereal that was instead sold for institutional rape.

    We might note, sanctions never prevented the import of food or medicine. They have only been described as 'draconian' by the most extreme (and generally ignorant) positions. If you want draconian, check out Saddam's rape palaces, where HS girls were passed down the chain and then murdered - as a matter of state policy.
    Institutional rape. Isn't that what Rummy and company ordered up at Abu Graib? You know, when we shoved cattle prods up people's asses and our contractors raped Iraqi women 4 on 1.

    Are you still selling that Saddam's "rape rooms" nonsense?

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