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Thread: How Many Iraqis Died in the Iraq War?[W:496]

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    re: How Many Iraqis Died in the Iraq War?[W:496]

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    I never said it was. I said equating them to WWII Germany is.

    However, neither of those reasons justified invasion. They couldn't hit us, and the violations were UN violations. Only the UN had the authority to enforce them. Besides, we let them violate a lot when it suited us. we were not afraid of Iraq.
    As I said, we were attacked, but you do not feel that it justifies the actions taken in response. I don't really care about the UN in this circumstance since they created the original justification and the US led coalition was the enforcement mechanism. It was that original authorization which justified all the rest once the cease fire was violated. I don't understand your assertion that we let them violate a lot when it suited us. As I recall, they violated a number of times--seems like restraint to me.

    As for couldn't hit us, your only basis is whether they could hit US territory? As for being afraid or not of Iraq, if we were afraid, would we have even reinstated hostilities?

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    re: How Many Iraqis Died in the Iraq War?[W:496]

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    No such killing was going on at the time of the invasion. In fact, it hadn't for some time.
    False. Saddam starved 400k children by selling food obtained from the food-for-oil program - just prior to the invasion. He spent that money on cronies, rape palaces, torture and slaughtering his domestic enemies.
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    re: How Many Iraqis Died in the Iraq War?[W:496]

    Quote Originally Posted by ecofarm View Post
    False. Saddam starved 400k children by selling food obtained from the food-for-oil program - just prior to the invasion. He spent that money on cronies, rape palaces, oppression, torture and killing his domestic enemies.
    War didn't help them much. Sorry, but that doesn't fly either. They're also still pretty oppressed. There's a reason they're not thanking us.

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    re: How Many Iraqis Died in the Iraq War?[W:496]

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    War didn't help them much. Sorry, but that doesn't fly either. They're also still pretty oppressed. There's a reason they're not thanking us.
    Now that you have been corrected, I expect that specific falsehood will no longer come from you. Thanks.


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    Saddam starved 400k children, on purpose, to get money for rape palaces, immediately prior to the invasion.

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    re: How Many Iraqis Died in the Iraq War?[W:496]

    Quote Originally Posted by AliHajiSheik View Post
    As I said, we were attacked, but you do not feel that it justifies the actions taken in response. I don't really care about the UN in this circumstance since they created the original justification and the US led coalition was the enforcement mechanism. It was that original authorization which justified all the rest once the cease fire was violated. I don't understand your assertion that we let them violate a lot when it suited us. As I recall, they violated a number of times--seems like restraint to me.

    As for couldn't hit us, your only basis is whether they could hit US territory? As for being afraid or not of Iraq, if we were afraid, would we have even reinstated hostilities?
    We were charged with monitoring breaking sanctions and selling oil. We let Saddam sell oil to our alies, turning a blind eye. Whether care about the UN or not, the sanctions were theirs and not ours.

    Yes, we would have to fear some action was possible, or invading makes no logical sense. We weren't and it didn't, but the story they told was that we were in fact afraid. And they used the politics of fear to get us there.

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    re: How Many Iraqis Died in the Iraq War?[W:496]

    Quote Originally Posted by ecofarm View Post
    Now that you have been corrected, I expect that specific falsehood will no longer come from you. Thanks.


    Don't forget kids:


    Saddam starved 400k children, on purpose, to get money for rape palaces, immediately prior to the invasion.
    I have not been correct. More were killed out right in the invasion and by the after effects of war. We saved no one nor anything.

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    re: How Many Iraqis Died in the Iraq War?[W:496]

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    I have not been correct. More were killed out right in the invasion and by the after effects of war. We saved no one nor anything.
    That's true. You have not been correct.

    You claimed, disgustingly enough, that Saddam had not killed many just prior to the invasion. This grotesque ignorance was corrected, and now you know that Saddam starved 400k children just prior to the invasion.

    Knowing is half the battle.

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    re: How Many Iraqis Died in the Iraq War?[W:496]

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    I don't know anyone who says Bush started EVERYTHING. It is enough that he invaded Iraq on a pretext, a reckless and costly act.
    His excuses to the public were pathetic. Equally pathetic, however, is the protestor who relies on those excuses to define the event 10 years later.

    The invasion of Iraq was about something far bigger than the simplistic excuses that the American public needed to hear. You are witnessing the entire region moving past their dictators and evolving into what the rest of the world was allowed to become because of what you call a "reckless act." Whether or not the Rumsfeld Coven recognized what they were doing is irrelevant. They stumbled upon it.

    Pretending that Iraq is Iraq and Syria is Syria and Egypt is Egypt is to deny the fact that this is a tribal regional civilization of very like mind and very like wants who are only separated because or reckless European colonialism. Consider the invasion of Iraq as a step to reverse it. People who walk around confused today in regards to the MENA are probably the same sort who were aghast when they watched Yugoslavia crack up in the 1990s. A protestor in Tunisia sparks the Arab Spring throughout the region in multiple countries? A region full of like minded people following each other down the same path even though others live behind different borders? Parts of the populations of these countries sympathize with parts of the populations of other nations in such a way that one would think we are looking at family? This should not confuse people. This is historical. It happened twice in the 20th century and both were after major events in the region. The first time was after WWI when Muslim Arabs rose up against their colonizers and demanded democracy. European colonialism won. The second was after WWII when Muslim Arabs rose up against their European colonizers and demanded democracy. Muslim militant coups won as most of Europe left to lick its wounds and dictators formed. Today, we see Iraqi voters in October 2010 vote in a free election without outside security and two months later a man in Tunisia had enough as he sparked another Muslim Arab cry for democracy throughout the region.

    What I find terribly tragic is how people are completely oblivious to this history as they whine about the danger of ridding this region of dictators, supporting the Arab Spring, or arming rebels against one of the last standing chemical gas using dictators in the region.

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    re: How Many Iraqis Died in the Iraq War?[W:496]

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    We were charged with monitoring breaking sanctions and selling oil. We let Saddam sell oil to our alies, turning a blind eye. Whether care about the UN or not, the sanctions were theirs and not ours.

    Yes, we would have to fear some action was possible, or invading makes no logical sense. We weren't and it didn't, but the story they told was that we were in fact afraid. And they used the politics of fear to get us there.
    I acknowledge that invading Iraq makes no logical sense to you. We were attacked, in a much more tangible way than the Gulf on Tonkin. Perhaps you can envision no possible justification for the actions taken, but then why bother enforcing anything.

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    re: How Many Iraqis Died in the Iraq War?[W:496]

    Quote Originally Posted by ecofarm View Post


    Saddam starved 400k children, on purpose, to get money for rape palaces, immediately prior to the invasion.
    Well, rape rooms was a policy of his police and military to terrorize the Shia into maintained compliance. The starving of the children was the result of the UN mission to support his throne in the wonderful name of "stability." He allowed the starvation to thumb his nose at the West. Coincidentally, Osama Bin Laden pointed out this starvation as a part of the legitimacy for 9/11. For protestors to default to the tired "Saddam had nothing to do with 9/11" is morally decrepit and ignorant. By all means, keep the mission going. It's not making anybody mad.

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