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Thread: How Many Iraqis Died in the Iraq War?[W:496]

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    re: How Many Iraqis Died in the Iraq War?[W:496]

    Quote Originally Posted by OldWorldOrder View Post
    Sure, just like I'm responsible for the building collapsing in Bangladesh. The primary responsibility is on either the children (depending on the choices they made), or the dad.

    I've noticed twice you refuse to tell me who is primarily responsible for that hypothetical car bomb in Ramadi.


    I'm sorry, friend, but it seems as if your opinion that the Iraq War was "bad" or "wrong" or whatever has skewed your critical thinking here.
    If you don't see an answer, I'm not sure how blunt you need it. If we had not invaded, would there have been a bomb? Sure, the bomber holds responsibility, but so do we. It is part of the consequences of our action.

    Primary responsibility? You don't believe much in cause and effect I see. That might explain your trouble here.

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    re: How Many Iraqis Died in the Iraq War?[W:496]

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    If you don't see an answer, I'm not sure how blunt you need it. If we had not invaded, would there have been a bomb? Sure, the bomber holds responsibility, but so do we. It is part of the consequences of our action.

    Primary responsibility? You don't believe much in cause and effect I see. That might explain your trouble here.
    Right, and I hold responsibility for the building collapse in Bangladesh. But I asked you who is primarily responsible. You seem to be avoiding answering that. Interesting. Let's see who is having trouble here:

    Can you answer who's primarily responsible for the deaths caused by American air to surface missiles and bombs in the Baghdad are in March, 2003? Or would you rather avoid that, too?

    How odd is it that you try so hard to avoid what's patently obvious, over and over. No one is absolving the US of blame. But you seem very reticent to admit that maybe other people bear most of the responsibility of things. How strange. I have to say it: this seems laughably politically motivated.

    I hope you have the courage to answer both the question I asked you in my previous post and the question I asked in this post about American munitions. I think you're comfortable answering one and not the other, but probably won't answer either because answering the latter without the answering the former would be too transparent even for you in this conversation. Since you already agreed that you hold different, inconsistent standards, I think I'm gonna be forced to end this convo if you can't answer both those questions flatly.

    Thanks for the talk, Boo!
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    re: How Many Iraqis Died in the Iraq War?[W:496]

    thousands were killed by their own people.....
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    re: How Many Iraqis Died in the Iraq War?[W:496]

    Quote Originally Posted by OldWorldOrder View Post
    Right, and I hold responsibility for the building collapse in Bangladesh. But I asked you who is primarily responsible. You seem to be avoiding answering that. Interesting. Let's see who is having trouble here:

    Can you answer who's primarily responsible for the deaths caused by American air to surface missiles and bombs in the Baghdad are in March, 2003? Or would you rather avoid that, too?

    How odd is it that you try so hard to avoid what's patently obvious, over and over. No one is absolving the US of blame. But you seem very reticent to admit that maybe other people bear most of the responsibility of things. How strange. I have to say it: this seems laughably politically motivated.

    I hope you have the courage to answer both the question I asked you in my previous post and the question I asked in this post about American munitions. I think you're comfortable answering one and not the other, but probably won't answer either because answering the latter without the answering the former would be too transparent even for you in this conversation. Since you already agreed that you hold different, inconsistent standards, I think I'm gonna be forced to end this convo if you can't answer both those questions flatly.

    Thanks for the talk, Boo!
    No, I agreed there are appropriate differences in standards. Be honest.

    We're responsible for our bombing in 2003. We chose to bomb, to invade. We did not have to.

    But I also don't think primary responsibility matters. It is enough that we hold responsibility. But, for the sake of insight, what would you consider primary? Would those who created the situation that not only make possible for the bombing to take place, but created the environment in which reason people knew such events would be expected, almost assured, hold a primary responsibility?

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    re: How Many Iraqis Died in the Iraq War?[W:496]

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    No, I agreed there are appropriate differences in standards. Be honest.

    We're responsible for our bombing in 2003. We chose to bomb, to invade. We did not have to.

    But I also don't think primary responsibility matters. It is enough that we hold responsibility. But, for the sake of insight, what would you consider primary? Would those who created the situation that not only make possible for the bombing to take place, but created the environment in which reason people knew such events would be expected, almost assured, hold a primary responsibility?
    So you could only answer one before saying it didn't matter. Okay, goodnight Boo.
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    re: How Many Iraqis Died in the Iraq War?[W:496]

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    No, I agreed there are appropriate differences in standards. Be honest.

    We're responsible for our bombing in 2003. We chose to bomb, to invade. We did not have to.

    But I also don't think primary responsibility matters. It is enough that we hold responsibility. But, for the sake of insight, what would you consider primary? Would those who created the situation that not only make possible for the bombing to take place, but created the environment in which reason people knew such events would be expected, almost assured, hold a primary responsibility?

    You know, Boo, we were discussing what posters might be paid to attempt to manipulate social media. You seem to attract them like dog doo-doo draws flies. You can always tell because 17 + 17 will always equal something less than 10 or 11, but even that is subject to lower adjustment. They like to twist the post to another subject and kill it. Make 'em pay!

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    re: How Many Iraqis Died in the Iraq War?[W:496]

    Quote Originally Posted by DaveFagan View Post
    You know, Boo, we were discussing what posters might be paid to attempt to manipulate social media. You seem to attract them like dog doo-doo draws flies. You can always tell because 17 + 17 will always equal something less than 10 or 11, but even that is subject to lower adjustment. They like to twist the post to another subject and kill it. Make 'em pay!
    Good job, Dave. Attack the poster, instead of the idea.
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    re: How Many Iraqis Died in the Iraq War?[W:496]

    Quote Originally Posted by OldWorldOrder View Post
    So you could only answer one before saying it didn't matter. Okay, goodnight Boo.
    You didn't read we're responsible for bombing in 2003?

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    re: How Many Iraqis Died in the Iraq War?[W:496]

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    You didn't read we're responsible for bombing in 2003?
    I specifically asked for who was primarily responsible for both two things: the hypothetical car bombers in Ramadi or the US (assuming you acknowledge that the US doesn't really use car bombs, who knows with you) and about the the bombings in and around Baghdad in 2003. You only answered one, before decrying that primary responsibility didn't matter. Very convenient.

    I think your bias is extremely clear and I think it's very doubtful you're going to change your mind, so why bother? Dave Fagan will certainly agree with you, so you have a fan there.
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    re: How Many Iraqis Died in the Iraq War?[W:496]

    Quote Originally Posted by OldWorldOrder View Post
    I specifically asked for who was primarily responsible for both two things: the hypothetical car bombers in Ramadi or the US (assuming you acknowledge that the US doesn't really use car bombs, who knows with you) and about the the bombings in and around Baghdad in 2003. You only answered one, before decrying that primary responsibility didn't matter. Very convenient.

    I think your bias is extremely clear and I think it's very doubtful you're going to change your mind, so why bother? Dave Fagan will certainly agree with you, so you have a fan there.
    I even talked about the car bombing. Did you read that?

    I'm not sure why people exhibiting bias comment on the bias of others. Everything that happen after we invaded would not have happened had we not invaded. Why is this hard for you to grasp? We're responsible for that.

    AUSTAN GOOLSBEE: I think the world vests too much power, certainly in the president, probably in Washington in general for its influence on the economy, because most all of the economy has nothing to do with the government.

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