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Thread: How Many Iraqis Died in the Iraq War?[W:496]

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    re: How Many Iraqis Died in the Iraq War?[W:496]

    Quote Originally Posted by DaveFagan View Post
    How Many Iraqis Died in the Iraq War? "And when respondents were asked in a different poll (AP/Ipsos, 2/12/07-2/15/07) to give their "best guess" about civilian deaths, 24 percent chose the option of 1,001 to 5,000 deaths.
    These answers are, of course, way off the mark. Estimates of the death toll range from about 174,000 (Iraq Body Count, 3/19/13) to over a million (Opinion Business Research, cited in Congressional Research Service, 10/7/10). Even at the times of those U.S. polls, death estimates were far beyond the public's estimates." "
    And when they are, they could be a massive undercount. A December 1, 2011CBS Evening News report told viewers that "more than 50,000 Iraqi civilians were killed in the war" (FAIR Action Alert, 12/2/11). This figure was sourced to iCasualties.org, which had one of the lowest estimates of civilian casualties at the time and warned readers that the number was probably a severe undercount.
    The "corrected" figure that CBS put forth 11 days later was 115,676 civilians killed, and sourced to Iraq Body Count–still one of the most conservative estimates to be found (FAIR Activism Update, 12/13/11)." Does this huge discrepancy reflect poorly on our Major Media for lack of reporting? Is it OK for the USA to kill 100,000 to 1,000,000 Iraqis so it's not really news. It's OK, they died because of a figmentary WMD causation. Who gives a rat's ass.
    The vast majority of those killed were by insurgents....Not by the US military.
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    re: How Many Iraqis Died in the Iraq War?[W:496]

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    Don't care if he was suffering. But I assume you mean the people under him. The answer is not to the extent they did during the war, and they are still suffering.
    What I'm saying is, do you think Saddam Hussein was in any part responsible for the war, or was it 100% America?

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    re: How Many Iraqis Died in the Iraq War?[W:496]

    Quote Originally Posted by Dooble View Post
    What I'm saying is, do you think Saddam Hussein was in any part responsible for the war, or was it 100% America?
    As there was no justification for invading, no. He was responsible for many evil things, but we chose to invade. Chose to bring war.

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    re: How Many Iraqis Died in the Iraq War?[W:496]

    This is an example of how situation in Iraq is today:

    Iraq | Freedom House

    http://www.amnesty.org/en/region/iraq/report-2013

    Press Freedom Index 2013 - Reporters Without Borders

    That at the same time it was the sanctions and weapon inspectors that worked not the invasion. Not only that the weapon inspections did prevent Saddam from having WMD. They also prevented the invasion to become an even bigger catastrophe. That is because Bush didn't have a working plan for securing weapon siteas. That enormous amount of wepaons got stolen. So with out the weapon inspectors whos looted weapons would have included WMD. God knows how and then those WMD had been used.

    http://www.nytimes.com/2005/03/13/in...loot.html?_r=0

    Iraq's Looted Arms Depots: What the GAO Didn't Mention - FAS Strategic Security Blog
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    re: How Many Iraqis Died in the Iraq War?[W:496]

    Quote Originally Posted by upsideguy View Post
    First place, its not government waste that causes the debt/deficits.... its major programs, such as wars/tax cuts and entitlement programs.
    And wars, tax cuts and entitlement programs are NOT wasting the money. Those are necessary expenditures.

    Here, why don't you educate yourself on how the government is wasting YOUR money.
    Second, you are free to believe anything you want..... you can believe the $1.7T spent removing a two bit dictator from power was well spent.... and you can believe our debt is out of control... you can believe these two things with the same credibility afforded a women that runs up the credit card on wild spending spree and then complains about the credit card bill (that credibility, of course, would be none).
    That's right I can, and don't you forget it either. Also, there is a very small handful of people here who's opinions actually matter to me. You aren't one of them.

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    re: How Many Iraqis Died in the Iraq War?[W:496]

    Quote Originally Posted by Strucky View Post
    The vast majority of those killed were by insurgents....Not by the US military.

    Saddam did not allow al Queda to operate within Iraqi borders. Al Queda in Iraq came with the USA to Iraq. We caused the insurgency that did some of the killing. It is always the same. There are many individuals, and the poll would indicate about 30-33%, who believe even when presented with facts to the contrary. The poll Post definitely identifies Iraq war dead at a conservative minimum number of 115,676 and then asks how many Iraqis died. 30-33% can't seem to "believe" this minimal figure and ergo choose the wrong answer. That same 30-33% are never going to recognize the realities of the Iraq War. They will believe we went to Iraq to defend human rights and protect Iraqis. We went to get control of the OIL and it is the same in Libya and Syria. Ergo, we killed these Iraqis for OIL. It's business. Solid American Corporatism. Very profitable. You pay $10 for a hammer. A military contract pays $200 for the same hammer and that is what USA wars are about.

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    re: How Many Iraqis Died in the Iraq War?[W:496]

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    As there was no justification for invading, no. He was responsible for many evil things, but we chose to invade. Chose to bring war.
    So that makes us murderers then, yes? Are you ashamed to be an American, Boo?

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    re: How Many Iraqis Died in the Iraq War?[W:496]

    Quote Originally Posted by Dooble View Post
    So that makes us murderers then, yes? Are you ashamed to be an American, Boo?
    Not ashamed at all. That's another failed and childish tactic of war supporters. It was merely an immoral, reckless, imperialistic and costly move by Bush and his administration, support by those who had the fever. It's a sign of poor self esteem (or national esteem) to fear admitting mistakes?

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    re: How Many Iraqis Died in the Iraq War?[W:496]

    Quote Originally Posted by DaveFagan View Post
    How Many Iraqis Died in the Iraq War? "And when respondents were asked in a different poll (AP/Ipsos, 2/12/07-2/15/07) to give their "best guess" about civilian deaths, 24 percent chose the option of 1,001 to 5,000 deaths.
    These answers are, of course, way off the mark. Estimates of the death toll range from about 174,000 (Iraq Body Count, 3/19/13) to over a million (Opinion Business Research, cited in Congressional Research Service, 10/7/10). Even at the times of those U.S. polls, death estimates were far beyond the public's estimates." "
    And when they are, they could be a massive undercount. A December 1, 2011CBS Evening News report told viewers that "more than 50,000 Iraqi civilians were killed in the war" (FAIR Action Alert, 12/2/11). This figure was sourced to iCasualties.org, which had one of the lowest estimates of civilian casualties at the time and warned readers that the number was probably a severe undercount.
    The "corrected" figure that CBS put forth 11 days later was 115,676 civilians killed, and sourced to Iraq Body Count–still one of the most conservative estimates to be found (FAIR Activism Update, 12/13/11)." Does this huge discrepancy reflect poorly on our Major Media for lack of reporting? Is it OK for the USA to kill 100,000 to 1,000,000 Iraqis so it's not really news. It's OK, they died because of a figmentary WMD causation. Who gives a rat's ass.
    You seem to think that every Iraqi death during the war was the direct result of US action. That is simply not the case no matter what you think of the war.

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    re: How Many Iraqis Died in the Iraq War?[W:496]

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    Not ashamed at all. That's another failed and childish tactic of war supporters. It was merely an immoral, reckless, imperialistic and costly move by Bush and his administration, support by those who had the fever. It's a sign of poor self esteem (or national esteem) to fear admitting mistakes?
    Yeah, I'm not going to argue that Bush didn't blow it on Iraq. Hell, he did a lot of things that I disagree with. I'm just trying to understand why you're still crying. Shouldn't you be focusing on the failures of our current president?

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