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Thread: How Many Iraqis Died in the Iraq War?[W:496]

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    re: How Many Iraqis Died in the Iraq War?[W:496]

    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisL View Post
    What about the Kurds?
    It was going on the time. That had long ended. In fact, we waited until it had long ended, settled down, and then and only then brought them war. Don't you see how many Iraqis would not be all that thankful for that?

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    re: How Many Iraqis Died in the Iraq War?[W:496]

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    How big doesn't matter. The point is we changed the dynamics in Iran's favor. It was important to Iran for them to help us go in.
    Sorry, but I'm not sure what you are trying to say here.

    Also, I have yet to see any evidence that Iraq is "helping" Iran in any way.

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    re: How Many Iraqis Died in the Iraq War?[W:496]

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    It was going on the time. That had long ended. In fact, we waited until it had long ended, settled down, and then and only then brought them war. Don't you see how many Iraqis would not be all that thankful for that?
    Sorry for the Iraqis, but the world is better off without that insane paranoid dictator.

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    re: How Many Iraqis Died in the Iraq War?[W:496]

    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisL View Post
    Sorry, but I'm not sure what you are trying to say here.

    Also, I have yet to see any evidence that Iraq is "helping" Iran in any way.
    Well I gave you some evidence.

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    Iran is the biggest beneficiary of the American misadventure in Iraq. The U.S. ousted Tehran's sworn enemy, Saddam Hussein, from power. Then Washington helped install a Shiite government for the first time in Iraq's modern history. As U.S. troops became mired in fighting an insurgency and containing a civil war, Iran extended its influence over all of Iraq's Shiite factions.

    So, Who Won the War in Iraq? Iran - Council on Foreign Relations

    Iran’s influence in Iraq is both overt and subtle. It's evident in Iranian products on Iraqi shelves, in strong ties of faith, and in Tehran’s open lines to all of Iraq’s political power players (including, said the U.S. official, to Sunni-backed and secular Shiite Ayad Allawi, who’s often seen as the bulwark against Iranian influence in Iraq). "In short, Iran infiltrates the top echelons of the Iraqi authority. Iran is in government departments and among the average Iraqis," political analyst Liqa Makki said on a recent Al Jazeera talk show. Other analysts see the so-called "Great Iraqi Oil Rush," playing for an estimated 100 billion barrels in untapped fields, as especially attractive to Iran as the squeeze of sanctions slows its own oil production and revenues.

    Does Iran Win The Iraq War? ·Al Qaeda: The Franchise· Saudi Women Hit The Workplace - ABC News



    As for your first question. Iran helped us invade Iraq. Not only did they use Chalibi for a second time to set us up (the first time was when we backed out of helping the Kurds because we saw his betrayal then), but the gave us support to do so.

    The Islamic republic proved more successful than the shah. It conducted a sophisticated disinformation campaign prior to the 2003 Iraq war to convince the United States that invading Iraq would be militarily easy and that Iraqis would welcome the Americans with open arms. This fed the existing U.S. desire to invade Iraq, becoming one factor among many that made the invasion seem doable. In a second phase, the Iranians helped many factions in Iraq resist the Americans, turning the occupation -- and plans for reconstructing Iraq according to American blueprints -- into a nightmare. In a third and final phase, Iran used its influence in Iraq to divide and paralyze the country after the Americans withdrew.

    As a result of this maneuvering, Iran achieved two goals. First, the Americans disposed of Iran's archenemy, Saddam Hussein, turning Iraq into a strategic cripple. Second, Iran helped force the United States out of Iraq, creating a vacuum in Iraq and undermining U.S. credibility in the region -- and sapping any U.S. appetite for further military adventures in the Middle East. I want to emphasize that all of this was not an Iranian plot: Many other factors contributed to this sequence of events. At the same time, Iranian maneuvering was no minor factor in the process; Iran skillfully exploited events that it helped shape.

    Read more: Iran's Strategy | Stratfor
    Follow us: @stratfor on Twitter | Stratfor on Facebook

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    re: How Many Iraqis Died in the Iraq War?[W:496]

    Quote Originally Posted by LadyMoonlight View Post
    Iraqi's were killing Iraqi's before America went to Iraq.
    Iraqi's were killing Iraqi's while America was in Iraq.
    Iraqi's are killing Iraqi's since America left Iraq.

    The more things change, the more they stay the same.
    Interesting rationalization.

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    re: How Many Iraqis Died in the Iraq War?[W:496]

    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisL View Post
    Sorry for the Iraqis, but the world is better off without that insane paranoid dictator.
    Easy to say from where you sit, but hundreds of thousands of dead Iraqis, millions displaced, and the those suffering from the ravages of war, they may not be as enthusiastic as you. Especially as life isn't really much better.

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    re: How Many Iraqis Died in the Iraq War?[W:496]

    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisL View Post
    Sorry for the Iraqis, but the world is better off without that insane paranoid dictator.
    At the cost of a cool $1.7 trillion.... a real value. Surely you are not one the gripes about the debt or deficits, as your statement here takes away all credibility on such an issue.

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    re: How Many Iraqis Died in the Iraq War?[W:496]

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    Well I gave you some evidence.

    More:

    Iran is the biggest beneficiary of the American misadventure in Iraq. The U.S. ousted Tehran's sworn enemy, Saddam Hussein, from power. Then Washington helped install a Shiite government for the first time in Iraq's modern history. As U.S. troops became mired in fighting an insurgency and containing a civil war, Iran extended its influence over all of Iraq's Shiite factions.

    So, Who Won the War in Iraq? Iran - Council on Foreign Relations

    Iran’s influence in Iraq is both overt and subtle. It's evident in Iranian products on Iraqi shelves, in strong ties of faith, and in Tehran’s open lines to all of Iraq’s political power players (including, said the U.S. official, to Sunni-backed and secular Shiite Ayad Allawi, who’s often seen as the bulwark against Iranian influence in Iraq). "In short, Iran infiltrates the top echelons of the Iraqi authority. Iran is in government departments and among the average Iraqis," political analyst Liqa Makki said on a recent Al Jazeera talk show. Other analysts see the so-called "Great Iraqi Oil Rush," playing for an estimated 100 billion barrels in untapped fields, as especially attractive to Iran as the squeeze of sanctions slows its own oil production and revenues.

    Does Iran Win The Iraq War? ·Al Qaeda: The Franchise· Saudi Women Hit The Workplace - ABC News



    As for your first question. Iran helped us invade Iraq. Not only did they use Chalibi for a second time to set us up (the first time was when we backed out of helping the Kurds because we saw his betrayal then), but the gave us support to do so.

    The Islamic republic proved more successful than the shah. It conducted a sophisticated disinformation campaign prior to the 2003 Iraq war to convince the United States that invading Iraq would be militarily easy and that Iraqis would welcome the Americans with open arms. This fed the existing U.S. desire to invade Iraq, becoming one factor among many that made the invasion seem doable. In a second phase, the Iranians helped many factions in Iraq resist the Americans, turning the occupation -- and plans for reconstructing Iraq according to American blueprints -- into a nightmare. In a third and final phase, Iran used its influence in Iraq to divide and paralyze the country after the Americans withdrew.

    As a result of this maneuvering, Iran achieved two goals. First, the Americans disposed of Iran's archenemy, Saddam Hussein, turning Iraq into a strategic cripple. Second, Iran helped force the United States out of Iraq, creating a vacuum in Iraq and undermining U.S. credibility in the region -- and sapping any U.S. appetite for further military adventures in the Middle East. I want to emphasize that all of this was not an Iranian plot: Many other factors contributed to this sequence of events. At the same time, Iranian maneuvering was no minor factor in the process; Iran skillfully exploited events that it helped shape.

    Read more: Iran's Strategy | Stratfor
    Follow us: @stratfor on Twitter | Stratfor on Facebook
    I appreciate your taking the time to post all of that material. So what if Iran likes the fact that Saddam is gone. He was a troublemaker and a thorn in EVERYBODY'S sides. I still fail to see just HOW Iraq is ever going to be very valuable to Iran though. Unless Iran comes and steals their oil, which WE and others would never allow to happen.

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    re: How Many Iraqis Died in the Iraq War?[W:496]

    Quote Originally Posted by upsideguy View Post
    At the cost of a cool $1.7 trillion.... a real value. Surely you are not one the gripes about the debt or deficits, as your statement here takes away all credibility on such an issue.
    How so? I really don't think you know what you're talking about.

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    re: How Many Iraqis Died in the Iraq War?[W:496]

    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisL View Post
    I appreciate your taking the time to post all of that material. So what if Iran likes the fact that Saddam is gone. He was a troublemaker and a thorn in EVERYBODY'S sides. I still fail to see just HOW Iraq is ever going to be very valuable to Iran though. Unless Iran comes and steals their oil, which WE and others would never allow to happen.
    All they need is Iraq's support. Eventually they could become a client state. But even if they don't, it just makes things easier for them to have Iraq as a friend. It strengthens Iran.

    AUSTAN GOOLSBEE: I think the world vests too much power, certainly in the president, probably in Washington in general for its influence on the economy, because most all of the economy has nothing to do with the government.

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