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Thread: How Many Iraqis Died in the Iraq War?[W:496]

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    re: How Many Iraqis Died in the Iraq War?[W:496]

    Quote Originally Posted by DaveFagan View Post
    It's getting worse not better.

    Epidemic of Birth Defects and Cancer in Iraq: America’s Toxic Legacy | DailyCensored.com - Breaking Censored News, World, Independent, Liberal News

    "Ten years after the 2003 war, Mosul-based scientists “detected high levels of uranium contamination in soil samples at three sites in the province of Nineveh which, coupled with dramatically increasing rates of childhood cancers and birth defects at local hospitals.”

    Iraq’s a toxic wasteland. Scores of pollutants include dangerous chemicals and metals, oil, gasoline, pesticides, bacteria, other poisons, and irradiation. Widespread depleted uranium use caused it.

    US bombs, missiles, shells and bullets use solid DU projectiles or warheads. They’re de facto nuclear bombs. Their widespread use is more harmful than Hiroshima and Nagasaki.

    Inhaled or ingested DU particles or dust is highly toxic. They’re designated illegal weapons for good reason. America prioritizes their use. Iraqis suffer horrendously.

    Radioactive contamination is virtually everywhere. DU’s half-life is 4.5 billion years. Contamination is permanent. According to Helen Caldicott:

    America’s two Iraq wars “have been nuclear wars because they have scattered nuclear material across the land, and people, particularly children, are condemned to die of malignancy and congenital disease essentially for eternity.”"

    This devastating contamination of a Nation was done in your name. On the other hand, it produced terrific profits for USA Corporations. It screwed us taxpayers, but the little brown balls always roll downhill, and that is how we get ours.
    Yeah calling bull**** Dave.

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    re: How Many Iraqis Died in the Iraq War?[W:496]

    Quote Originally Posted by Porchev View Post
    What aircraft were you a crewmember in when they shot at you?
    Sorry, don't mean this to be a cop out, but this is not really the place to start mentioning specific weapons systems in association with the limitations I already mentioned. Lets keep it at generalities atm.
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    re: How Many Iraqis Died in the Iraq War?[W:496]

    Quote Originally Posted by DVSentinel View Post
    Sorry, don't mean this to be a cop out, but this is not really the place to start mentioning specific weapons systems in association with the limitations I already mentioned. Lets keep it at generalities atm.
    That is ok, I think I figured it out by reading your profile information. It appears we have been to a lot of the same places.

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    re: How Many Iraqis Died in the Iraq War?[W:496]

    Let's say a man wanted to egg your house one evening and was looking for volunteers to help, and found about 10 of them. After they did it, would you say it was poor leadership, but praise the volunteers for a job well done?

    And according to your theory, Reagan, as much as he'd built up the military in the 80's, should have been the worst war monger of all. What war did he start?

    Quote Originally Posted by DaveFagan View Post
    Nobody criticizes those who served. They just do their jobs and do them well. They are sent there by flawed leadership and that is where the criticism is targeted.
    Here's your real war information.

    Permanent War Offers Profits for the Ruling Class, Ashes for the Rest

    "There is only one major domestic manufacturing profit-center for US capital: the military-industrial complex (the MIC). It is hardly a coincidence that the US spends more on weapons and the military than all of other countries in the world combined.

    Three of the four principal profit centers are inter-related. The MIC produces handsome profits on its own. The MIC is necessary to protect the world-wide interests of the US energy production/consumption industry. The MIC is also necessary to protect the loci of US capital around the world, the so-called global economy. And now we come to the first reason why it is highly unlikely that President Obama would be able to bring the Permanent War to an end. The US political system as a whole could hardly sell Permanent War to the US people on the basis of its real "whys." So it has to create the necessity of Permanent War, known colloquially in the US as the "War on Terror." And what a nice state-of-being this so-called "War" (the equivalent in conventional military parlance would be something like, as a US General once said, a "War on Flanking Maneuvers") creates for the Permanent Warriors. There will always be terrorists, or potential terrorists, or (created, false flag terrorists, if needed), and the "War" itself creates even more of them. Thus, by its very nature, it can never end.

    But further, the US political system, as least as it now constructed, will never let it end. The "Permanent War" Party is the GOP. They are the bought-and-paid representatives (along with certain Democrats to be sure) of the interests whose interests are served by Permanent War (as above). As is well-know, even though center and center-right Democrats don't want to admit it, the GOP controls the Congress, through its majority in the House of Representatives and the (un-constitutional, but that's another matter) super-majority rule in the Senate. With gerrymandering/re-districting and small-state dominance of the Senate, this is not going to change any time soon. (Certainly it will not change through any effort of the present Congressional Democratic Party, of which too many members are just as bought-and-paid-for by the Corporate Power as are the Republicans.) You just have to listen to the response of the McCains and the Grahams to know that to the limits of their power they will do everything they can to block Obama from ending the war (that is if he really wants to)."

    "The USA spends more of Military Offense than the rest of the World combined."
    Does that make any sense to you? It doesn't to me. War is good business, and business is good.

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    re: How Many Iraqis Died in the Iraq War?[W:496]

    Quote Originally Posted by JC Callender View Post
    It's sad that some people started writing this war off as an abject failure only a couple of years in. I always think it's so inconsiderate to those who've served over there. We don't know how things will look 20 or 50 years from now.
    I wonder how they consider that arrogant belief, especially those who lost so much, without even being asked? If Iraq becomes heaven on earth in 50 years, it would have still been the wrong decision. The results don't justify the means.

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    Why would it have been the wrong decision?

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    I wonder how they consider that arrogant belief, especially those who lost so much, without even being asked? If Iraq becomes heaven on earth in 50 years, it would have still been the wrong decision. The results don't justify the means.

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    re: How Many Iraqis Died in the Iraq War?[W:496]

    Quote Originally Posted by JC Callender View Post
    Why would it have been the wrong decision?
    It was imperialistic, thinking we know what to do for others. It cost a ton of lives inflicted on those who did not ask for war. It hurt us in many, many ways. And cost for too much in terms of money, lives, and expense for far too little.

    AUSTAN GOOLSBEE: I think the world vests too much power, certainly in the president, probably in Washington in general for its influence on the economy, because most all of the economy has nothing to do with the government.

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    re: How Many Iraqis Died in the Iraq War?[W:496]

    If you saw a man down the street beating his wife on the front lawn, would you assume you don't know what's best for his wife and stay out of it. Would you assume she would want you to stay out of it?

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    It was imperialistic, thinking we know what to do for others. It cost a ton of lives inflicted on those who did not ask for war. It hurt us in many, many ways. And cost for too much in terms of money, lives, and expense for far too little.

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    re: How Many Iraqis Died in the Iraq War?[W:496]

    Quote Originally Posted by JC Callender View Post
    Let's say a man wanted to egg your house one evening and was looking for volunteers to help, and found about 10 of them. After they did it, would you say it was poor leadership, but praise the volunteers for a job well done?

    And according to your theory, Reagan, as much as he'd built up the military in the 80's, should have been the worst war monger of all. What war did he start?
    Do you mean, other than Nicaragua, Guatemala, Honduras and Granada?

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    re: How Many Iraqis Died in the Iraq War?[W:496]

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    I wonder how they consider that arrogant belief, especially those who lost so much, without even being asked? If Iraq becomes heaven on earth in 50 years, it would have still been the wrong decision. The results don't justify the means.
    Quite obviously, that is your opinion, completely subjective dependent upon your views and ideology and nothing more.

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