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Thread: How Many Iraqis Died in the Iraq War?[W:496]

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    re: How Many Iraqis Died in the Iraq War?[W:496]

    'Iraq Before the Invasion

    Contrary to popular imagination, Iraqi women enjoyed far more freedom under Saddam Hussein’s secular Ba’athist government than women in other Middle Eastern countries. In fact, equal rights for women were enshrined in Iraq’s Constitution in 1970, including the right to vote, run for political office, access education and own property. Today, these rights are all but absent under the U.S.-backed government of Nouri al-Maliki.'

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    'Widows and Orphans

    The loss of husbands and fathers over the last decade has left 2 million Iraqi women widowed. Furthermore, estimates put the number of orphaned Iraqi children at 5 million, most of whom are growing up without an education. As a result, says OWFI, there are now “more than 3 million women and girls with no source of income or protection, thereby turning them into a helpless population” and making them vulnerable to “trafficking, sexual exploitation, polygamy, and religious pleasure marriages.”'

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    'Women’s Rights Set Back 70 Years

    Unsurprisingly, most U.S. media outlets have failed to accurately cover the deterioration of women’s rights in Iraq. ...Nadje Al-Ali, author of the book “What Kind of Liberation? Women and the Occupation of Iraq...argues that the Iraq War set women’s rights back 70 years.'

    'Human Rights Watch (HRW) declared in a 2011 report that “life in Iraq is actually getting worse for women” and accused the U.S.-backed Iraqi government of “violating with impunity the rights of Iraq’s most vulnerable citizens, especially women and detainees.”'

    Was Life for Iraqi Women Better Under Saddam? | crimson satellite



    '"In general women were living much better off under Saddam," Yanar Mohammed, a women's rights advocate with the Organisation of Women's Freedom in Iraq told The Media Line. "The Iraq that I grew up in was a very modern Iraq and we had basic human rights."

    "It was more fashionable at the time to give more rights to women and even Saddam followed the more progressive tendency in the region," she said. "So the Personal Status Law of the time, passed [in 1959] even before Saddam, established a minimum age for marriage, made it very difficult for a man to take a second wife and one almost never saw clerics ruling on civil matters."

    "But then the U.S. occupation created a political vacuum and allowed what they call the 'cultural groups' to have their way in Iraq," Mohammed continued. "These religious groups were able to gain access to the constitution and allow people to turn to Sharia instead of civil law. So there is no longer any strong civil law to protect us and there are now big parts of Iraq which are being ruled under Sharia, in which women have very little rights."'

    Houzan Mahmoud: Do Iraq's Women Miss Saddam?


    From Human Rights Watch:

    'Human rights conditions in Iraq remain poor, particularly for detainees, journalists, activists, and women and girls. Security forces continued to arbitrarily detain and torture detainees, holding some in secret jails. Iraq security forces respond to peaceful protest with intimidation, threats, violence, and arrests. Journalists and media organizations critical of the government face harassment. A new law criminalizing human trafficking has yet to be effectively implemented, and the Kurdistan Regional Government has not taken steps to implement a 2011 law banning female genital mutilation. Hundreds of civilians and police were killed in bomb attacks by armed groups and other violence amid a political crisis that has dragged on since December 2011.'

    http://www.hrw.org/middle-eastn-africa/iraq
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    re: How Many Iraqis Died in the Iraq War?[W:496]

    Iraq Is ‘Hell on Earth’ for Gays

    'Posted on Sep 12, 2012


    With hostile families, militias and even police on the hunt for gay people, conditions in Iraq are worse than in Saudi Arabia and Iran, the BBC reports.

    Especially worrisome is the government’s involvement in what the Beeb describes as a national “witch hunt.”

    It’s “hell on earth,” according to Ali Hilli, founder of Iraqi LGBT. “Instead of protecting sexual minorities, the Iraqi government facilitates their murder by arresting the victims and handing them over to militias who kill them. Iraqi LGBT sources working inside Iraq have found the militias are also getting intelligence about the identities of sexual minorities from the Ministry of the Interior.”

    It’s easy to dismiss anti-gay fervor as symptomatic of a conservative Muslim culture, but, as the BBC points out, gays enjoyed some degree of protection under Saddam Hussein and even Hezbollah “shows a degree of tolerance towards homosexuals.”


    Iraq Is ‘Hell on Earth’ for Gays - Truthdig

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    re: How Many Iraqis Died in the Iraq War?[W:496]

    Quote Originally Posted by DVSentinel View Post
    Actually, I think they were that high on the priority list because we already had forces engaged there. In particular, the Air Force had several "Low Density, High Utilization" "Combat multiplier" units constantly tied up there since the end of the Gulf War. Iraq was on the list and it would make no sense to remove those units only to bring them back again later while also allowing Saddam free reign to do as he pleased. These systems could not be removed until the Iraq issue was settled, one way or the other.

    Bush gave him a choice, comply or we end you. Since Neither G.H.Bush or Clinton had actually taken steps to end it, So-damned-insane didn't have a reason to believe we would do anything to him at all except maybe bomb a couple of facilities and then things would return to the way they were. G.H. Bush and Clinton bombed him several times, ostensibly over him playing games and kicking out the inspectors who were their to ascertain the status of his chemical weapons programs. However, he eventually kicked them out without Clinton responding (for various reasons). G.W. Bush gave the ultimatum, let them in, let them do their jobs or we end it our way. Saddam made his choice, Bush needed those assets elsewhere and didn't follow the familiar pattern.

    Those assets were there to enforce the Northern and Southern No Fly zones that were established because Saddam liked to go bomb civilians and the UN didn't believe he should be allowed to. Not to mention the fact that the UN also didn't like the fact that he had gassed an unarmed village inside his own country. Saddam didn't like this and would occasionally target and even shoot at forces there to enforce the No-Fly zones. I was a crewmember on one of those assets, hence why I said he would sometimes shoot at me. (There were also zones where his movement of ground troops was also restricted)

    So while oil might have played a role, the simple fact is that we could get far more oil from Iran if that was our goal. We needed to free up assets in order to continue the War on Terror. Unfortunately, while we did indeed free up those assets, we tied up too many of our other assets, so we ground to a halt.
    What aircraft were you a crewmember in when they shot at you?

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    re: How Many Iraqis Died in the Iraq War?[W:496]

    Quote Originally Posted by DaveFagan View Post
    To the ADMIN, the format of that post is forced by the fact that when in the composing forum for the post the "ENTER" key does not work. This is the third or fourth post that this has happened on. I am a low speed phone link, but have posted many times and this problem started about three weeks ago, estimated.
    Happening to me too. If you edit post the enter key works, it's a pain in the ass to edit every thread you start but it works.

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    re: How Many Iraqis Died in the Iraq War?[W:496]

    Quote Originally Posted by sawyerloggingon View Post
    Happening to me too. If you edit post the enter key works, it's a pain in the ass to edit every thread you start but it works.
    Thanks for the "edit post" info. I'll remember that.

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    re: How Many Iraqis Died in the Iraq War?[W:496]

    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisL View Post
    It takes time for a country to get it together after a war. Give it some time. Such negativity!
    It's getting worse not better.

    http://www.dailycensored.com/epidemi...ly+Censored%29

    "Ten years after the 2003 war, Mosul-based scientists “detected high levels of uranium contamination in soil samples at three sites in the province of Nineveh which, coupled with dramatically increasing rates of childhood cancers and birth defects at local hospitals.”

    Iraq’s a toxic wasteland. Scores of pollutants include dangerous chemicals and metals, oil, gasoline, pesticides, bacteria, other poisons, and irradiation. Widespread depleted uranium use caused it.

    US bombs, missiles, shells and bullets use solid DU projectiles or warheads. They’re de facto nuclear bombs. Their widespread use is more harmful than Hiroshima and Nagasaki.

    Inhaled or ingested DU particles or dust is highly toxic. They’re designated illegal weapons for good reason. America prioritizes their use. Iraqis suffer horrendously.

    Radioactive contamination is virtually everywhere. DU’s half-life is 4.5 billion years. Contamination is permanent. According to Helen Caldicott:

    America’s two Iraq wars “have been nuclear wars because they have scattered nuclear material across the land, and people, particularly children, are condemned to die of malignancy and congenital disease essentially for eternity.”"

    This devastating contamination of a Nation was done in your name. On the other hand, it produced terrific profits for USA Corporations. It screwed us taxpayers, but the little brown balls always roll downhill, and that is how we get ours.

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    re: How Many Iraqis Died in the Iraq War?[W:496]

    Quote Originally Posted by JC Callender View Post
    It's sad that some people started writing this war off as an abject failure only a couple of years in. I always think it's so inconsiderate to those who've served over there. We don't know how things will look 20 or 50 years from now.

    Nobody criticizes those who served. They just do their jobs and do them well. They are sent there by flawed leadership and that is where the criticism is targeted.
    Here's your real war information.

    Permanent War Offers Profits for the Ruling Class, Ashes for the Rest

    "There is only one major domestic manufacturing profit-center for US capital: the military-industrial complex (the MIC). It is hardly a coincidence that the US spends more on weapons and the military than all of other countries in the world combined.

    Three of the four principal profit centers are inter-related. The MIC produces handsome profits on its own. The MIC is necessary to protect the world-wide interests of the US energy production/consumption industry. The MIC is also necessary to protect the loci of US capital around the world, the so-called global economy. And now we come to the first reason why it is highly unlikely that President Obama would be able to bring the Permanent War to an end. The US political system as a whole could hardly sell Permanent War to the US people on the basis of its real "whys." So it has to create the necessity of Permanent War, known colloquially in the US as the "War on Terror." And what a nice state-of-being this so-called "War" (the equivalent in conventional military parlance would be something like, as a US General once said, a "War on Flanking Maneuvers") creates for the Permanent Warriors. There will always be terrorists, or potential terrorists, or (created, false flag terrorists, if needed), and the "War" itself creates even more of them. Thus, by its very nature, it can never end.

    But further, the US political system, as least as it now constructed, will never let it end. The "Permanent War" Party is the GOP. They are the bought-and-paid representatives (along with certain Democrats to be sure) of the interests whose interests are served by Permanent War (as above). As is well-know, even though center and center-right Democrats don't want to admit it, the GOP controls the Congress, through its majority in the House of Representatives and the (un-constitutional, but that's another matter) super-majority rule in the Senate. With gerrymandering/re-districting and small-state dominance of the Senate, this is not going to change any time soon. (Certainly it will not change through any effort of the present Congressional Democratic Party, of which too many members are just as bought-and-paid-for by the Corporate Power as are the Republicans.) You just have to listen to the response of the McCains and the Grahams to know that to the limits of their power they will do everything they can to block Obama from ending the war (that is if he really wants to)."

    "The USA spends more of Military Offense than the rest of the World combined."
    Does that make any sense to you? It doesn't to me. War is good business, and business is good.

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    re: How Many Iraqis Died in the Iraq War?[W:496]

    Quote Originally Posted by DaveFagan View Post
    Saddam attacked no one! We attacked Iraq. OIL. Let's see now, sand, sand fleas, scorpions, OIL and would anybody want any of that? We are Capitalism/Corporatism and this is our gov't profiting the Big Energy Corporations as a payback for bribes, oops, I mean campaign donations to the votes they own in the Congress. I only get one vote. Why am I subsidizing Big Energy? I'd rather give a skid row bum a bottle of Mad Dog 20/20.
    You aren't, by chance, related to Saddam, are you? It's the only explanation I can think of for your continued efforts to paint the madman as some sort of martyr and victim of American greed.
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    re: How Many Iraqis Died in the Iraq War?[W:496]

    Quote Originally Posted by JC Callender View Post
    It's sad that some people started writing this war off as an abject failure only a couple of years in. I always think it's so inconsiderate to those who've served over there. We don't know how things will look 20 or 50 years from now.
    Exactly JC, but some people apparently have it all figured out.

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    re: How Many Iraqis Died in the Iraq War?[W:496]

    Quote Originally Posted by DaveFagan View Post
    It's getting worse not better.

    Epidemic of Birth Defects and Cancer in Iraq: America’s Toxic Legacy | DailyCensored.com - Breaking Censored News, World, Independent, Liberal News

    "Ten years after the 2003 war, Mosul-based scientists “detected high levels of uranium contamination in soil samples at three sites in the province of Nineveh which, coupled with dramatically increasing rates of childhood cancers and birth defects at local hospitals.”

    Iraq’s a toxic wasteland. Scores of pollutants include dangerous chemicals and metals, oil, gasoline, pesticides, bacteria, other poisons, and irradiation. Widespread depleted uranium use caused it.

    US bombs, missiles, shells and bullets use solid DU projectiles or warheads. They’re de facto nuclear bombs. Their widespread use is more harmful than Hiroshima and Nagasaki.

    Inhaled or ingested DU particles or dust is highly toxic. They’re designated illegal weapons for good reason. America prioritizes their use. Iraqis suffer horrendously.

    Radioactive contamination is virtually everywhere. DU’s half-life is 4.5 billion years. Contamination is permanent. According to Helen Caldicott:

    America’s two Iraq wars “have been nuclear wars because they have scattered nuclear material across the land, and people, particularly children, are condemned to die of malignancy and congenital disease essentially for eternity.”"

    This devastating contamination of a Nation was done in your name. On the other hand, it produced terrific profits for USA Corporations. It screwed us taxpayers, but the little brown balls always roll downhill, and that is how we get ours.
    Are you serious with that link?

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