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Thread: How Many Iraqis Died in the Iraq War?[W:496]

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    re: How Many Iraqis Died in the Iraq War?[W:496]

    Quote Originally Posted by ecofarm View Post
    It's a pathetic attempt to legitimize the BS 1 million stat.

    Obviously, the 50k-100k is the most honest answer - the closest to reality.
    I still contend that it doesn't matter, but I don't want people to confuse that with saying their lives didn't matter, I'm not. But the fact that Iraqis died has no bearing on anything.
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    re: How Many Iraqis Died in the Iraq War?[W:496]

    Quote Originally Posted by ecofarm View Post
    Is this coming from the same person who thinks that diplomacy and not war is the answer to world development?
    You can have diplomacy without foreign aid and alliances.



    Tell ya what, I'll explain a bit. You see, when a country "plays ball" with the US, that means we have diplomatic and economic ties. With those ties, the West is provided an in-road, if you will, towards the liberalization of those countries. Of course, we expect most countries to liberalize slowly, as we prod them along with the various tools in the diplomatic toolbox. Now, countries that are not willing to "play ball" with the West must be dealt with in other ways (sanctions, etc).
    Iraq was much further along than most ME countries when it came to liberalization. Our invasion of Iraq had NOTHING to do with how undemocratic it was.



    It is not only absolutism, but gravely ignorant absolutism. To pretend that every country should be treated exactly the same, as if any two countries are exactly the same, is a most unfortunate and, frankly, blind method of diplomacy.
    Did I say we should be invading every country that violates human rights? You base your argument on invading Iraq solely on human rights abuses. Yet, you are perfectly fine with giving taxpayer dollars to countries that have also abused human rights. That is outright hypocrisy.

    ps. I don't believe in altruism. I do what I do because it helps me sleep better.
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    re: How Many Iraqis Died in the Iraq War?[W:496]

    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    Logic: If you are going to **** your pants over the one, make sure you have plenty of diapers.
    I don't think Dave nor anyone else on this thread said there isn't plenty blame to go around.
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    re: How Many Iraqis Died in the Iraq War?[W:496]

    Quote Originally Posted by davidtaylorjr View Post
    I still contend that it doesn't matter, but I don't want people to confuse that with saying their lives didn't matter, I'm not. But the fact that Iraqis died has no bearing on anything.
    Whether it was one life lost or a billion, it was an unjustified war.
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    re: How Many Iraqis Died in the Iraq War?[W:496]

    Quote Originally Posted by DaveFagan View Post
    We don't steal the OIL outright. It is now in the Western Centralized Distribution Network for Energy and being traded in US Dollars. Many US energy corporations are now profiting handsomely from the spoils of war and actually from selling the gov't the energy to fight the war and armaments suppliers have profited handsomely as well. You don't think this war was about liberty and justice, or do you? War is good business, and business is good. And only a million or so dead.
    The original name of the operation was Operation Iraqi Liberation.... but then they thought about it and decided you can't have an acronym that states the obvious....


    This is one of the better things I have seen on the body count:

    The Iraq War: Ten Years in Ten Numbers - By Neta C. Crawford | The Middle East Channel

    ...and, yes, it was a Bush elective war. It is on his record... for those that think you can whine away Bush's miserable record arguing that it is something we all should forget because Obama has his own problems...

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    re: How Many Iraqis Died in the Iraq War?[W:496]

    Quote Originally Posted by Geoist View Post
    I don't think Dave nor anyone else on this thread said there isn't plenty blame to go around.
    And yet...they never seem to get around to mentioning those folks, do they. And small wonder. They will be voting for one of them in 2016.

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    re: How Many Iraqis Died in the Iraq War?[W:496]

    Quote Originally Posted by Geoist View Post
    What is altruism? The concern over the welfare of others.
    Wrong.

    1: unselfish regard for or devotion to the welfare of others
    2: behavior by an animal that is not beneficial to or may be harmful to itself but that benefits others of its species
    Altruism - Definition and More from the Free Merriam-Webster Dictionary


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    re: How Many Iraqis Died in the Iraq War?[W:496]

    Quote Originally Posted by Geoist View Post
    Whether it was one life lost or a billion, it was an unjustified war.
    Really? How so?
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    re: How Many Iraqis Died in the Iraq War?[W:496]

    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    Ho Chi Minhs people brutalized south Vietnamese. When we bailed on them it was far worse for them. Our mistake was not our presence in Vietnam, it was that we didnt engage the war to defeat the enemy. The error was political, tactical. We should not have been there if our intent was to not defeat the enemy and you dont defeat an enemy like North Vietnam by fighting a fight by their rules. Glad you made it home safe, but seriously dood SIDE with Minh??? You realize how many south Vietnamese people he slaughtered on his way to taking over the country...right? **** dood...considering your zeal for Minh you must have had a hard on thinking about Saddam.

    How many people would have died in a Vietnamese war had Minh decided to stay his ass in North Vietnam?

    The people of South Vietnam and North Vietnam both called Minh the "George Washington of Vietnam," and I'm pretty sure they weren't referring to the Bedford-Stuvyesant George. We were equally wrong being involved in Vietnam as we were in Iraq.

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    re: How Many Iraqis Died in the Iraq War?[W:496]

    Quote Originally Posted by DaveFagan View Post
    The people of South Vietnam and North Vietnam both called Minh the "George Washington of Vietnam," and I'm pretty sure they weren't referring to the Bedford-Stuvyesant George. We were equally wrong being involved in Vietnam as we were in Iraq.
    Which people were those...the 13000 he slaughtered in 1960? The 750 or so that were kidnapped never to be seen again? The 15, South Vietnamese civilians he had killed by 1965 or the 46,000 that had been kidnapped? Oh...Imsure there are a lot of people that he thought was swell...and probably a lot that thought...well...not so much. Minh...Saddam...hell you add Pol Pot you could have yourself a helluva golfing foursome. The stories you could share...

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