"The trust of the innocent is the liar's most useful tool." : Stephen King
"Commerce with all nations, alliance with none, should be our motto." Thomas Jefferson
Are atheists invading christian countries and forcibly converting them to their beliefs?
(wait,didn't Christians used to do that to a lot of non christian countries?).
Are atheists enacting laws forbidding Christians from owning certain property and being in certain professions?
(didn't Christians used to do that to the Jews at one time).
Are atheists forcibly taking over Christian temples and converting them to atheist meeting places?
(didn't christians used to do that to the pagans at one time?)
Are atheists forcing christians to live in ghettos and wear sewed on religious symbol on their clothes to identify them as a "seperate group"
(didn't Christians used to do that to the Jews at one time?)
Sorry,but I just don't see an "atheist war on Christians". I really don't see some concerted effort on the part of atheists to prevent Christians from worshiping Christ,reading their Bibles,and going to their Churches.
This is just my opinion,and you or anyone can take it for what it's worth,but I suspect this "atheist war on Christians" really is just certain (not all,and not even most) Christians who seem to be all butt hurt because atheists (and other non-Christians) are telling Christians:
"we are no longer required to pucker up and kiss your asses simply because you worship Jesus.Your religion no longer gives you license to tell us what to do,what to think,what to say,how to say it,what to believe,who to worship,who to love and how to love simply because you worship Jesus.Christianity is not the sole proprietor/owner of such concepts as "God","Love","Compassion"Hope","The Afterlife" and "marriage".Christianity does not mean Christians get automatic control of everyone else simple because they are Christians. Christianity does not mean Christians are allowed to break laws/rules,contracts etc with impunity simply because they worship Jesus.
This may come to a shock to some of you,but in America ,people are only required to respect your right to HAVE beliefs.No one is actually required to respect or even like those beliefs.No one is allowed to PREVENT you from having those beliefs.
You may not like having to hear this,and it may be considered rude when anyone does this,but there is no law that prohibits anyone from questioning Christianity,questioning Christians,criticizing Christianity,criticizing Christians,or even ridiculing Christianity or Christians.I don't think it's a nice thing to do,but this is America.
Anyone who doesn't like America is free to leave it".
But like I said,this is all just my opinion.
You can take it or leave it.
It really doesn't matter either way to me.
Last edited by Verthaine; 06-12-13 at 12:31 AM.
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If there is can I be a conscientious objector? Or will I need to go to Canada to avoid the draft?
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There certainly is no war on atheists... or Christians or Muslims, for that matter. Nobody in this country needs to fear being dragged off and jailed because of their religion or their lack of one.
There is, however, considerably prejudice against atheists. There are places, including public and private schools, that simply refuse to hire atheists. It's possible that an avowed atheist could be elected to a local town council, but I don't foresee an atheist being elected to state legislatures or to congress simply because of bigotry; religious people will simply not vote for them. In fact, I suspect an atheist would never be appointed or hired for any governmental position, at least not in my lifetime, because of the potential for voter blowback toward whomever were to hire or appoint one.
Decades ago, I recall atheists being actively shunned and reviled by communities. In many places in America, I suspect they still are. Most atheists and agnostics simply don't discuss their lack of belief in deities for that very reason. If pinned to the wall by direct questions on their religion (such as in the military, some hospitals, and hundreds of other hiring situations... yes, now it's supposedly illegal to inquire about one's religion during employment interviews but face it, it happens all the time) most would use the term "non-religious", which leaves a bit of wiggle room for the questioner to presume that aren't particularly devout, but thankfully weren't an evil "atheist"!
I know that's the term I use most often when pressed with unavoidable questions about my religion. Lately, I don't much care who knows that I don't believe in god(s), although I certainly don't discuss it in front of my holier-than-thou newly-converted kids and their families. I don't like my grandchildren being informed that "grandma will not be joining the rest of us in heaven." It is not acceptable to tell someone that there is no evidence that their god(s) exist, but it's perfectly acceptable to tell atheists and agnostics (and anyone else that doesn't share their exact religious beliefs) that they are going to fry in the fires of hell because they are evil.
Whatever. An annoying hypocrisy to me, but it is what it is.
Somehow i knew this would descend into christian persecution complex.