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    Re: Lying to the USA people's elected representatives!

    Quote Originally Posted by DaveFagan View Post
    To be brutally honest, I have lost all faith in any USA Intelligence Agencies. They seem to operate as Corporate stooges and if Corporate was good for America, we would not have the unemployment (some of that blame is Unions) and huge disparity between the 99.9% and the .1%. The CIA record around the world is deplorable. Watch the Whitey Bulger trial and the FBI role. It's endemic because power corrupts and guess who's been corrupted.



    By and large, I agree with you.

    There is, and has been, a bright spot here and there, but when it comes to intelligence agencies we haven't gotten good value for the money that we have spent.

    Anyone who says that we have is either standing on a nickle or out of touch with reality.


    I recently saw a poll which found that 56 percent of Americans don't mind the NSA listening in on their phone calls. and reading their e-mail.

    Well, I'm not really trying to be the odd man out here, but I don't want anyone (That includes the U.S. government.) listening to my private conversations.

    If congress wants to make it OK for the NSA, FBI, and etc to do what they are doing it should pass a constitutional amendment eliminating the Fourth Amendment to the United States Constitution. Then all of this would be constitutional.

    I'll bet that never happens.

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    Re: Lying to the USA people's elected representatives!

    Quote Originally Posted by shrubnose View Post
    I recently saw a poll which found that 56 percent of Americans don't mind the NSA listening in on their phone calls. and reading their e-mail.
    Scary how much of America has been dumbed down.

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    Re: Lying to the USA people's elected representatives!

    Quote Originally Posted by APACHERAT View Post
    Scary how much of America has been dumbed down.

    It's like it's a planned event, but I don't remember any politician latching on to the braggin' rights for the dumbin' down, excepting Oklahoma and Kansas, that is.

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    Re: Lying to the USA people's elected representatives!

    Quote Originally Posted by DaveFagan View Post
    It's like it's a planned event, but I don't remember any politician latching on to the braggin' rights for the dumbin' down, excepting Oklahoma and Kansas, that is.
    Then there was Bloomberg. Heya DF.....they lied there is no getting round that fact. Now lets run them out of Government. Even if it means making their personal lives a living hell. Until they go.....no rest for the con man.

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    Re: Lying to the USA people's elected representatives!

    Quote Originally Posted by shrubnose View Post
    By and large, I agree with you.

    There is, and has been, a bright spot here and there, but when it comes to intelligence agencies we haven't gotten good value for the money that we have spent.

    Anyone who says that we have is either standing on a nickle or out of touch with reality.


    I recently saw a poll which found that 56 percent of Americans don't mind the NSA listening in on their phone calls. and reading their e-mail.

    Well, I'm not really trying to be the odd man out here, but I don't want anyone (That includes the U.S. government.) listening to my private conversations.

    If congress wants to make it OK for the NSA, FBI, and etc to do what they are doing it should pass a constitutional amendment eliminating the Fourth Amendment to the United States Constitution. Then all of this would be constitutional.

    I'll bet that never happens.
    Who are these people?
    Where Uncle Sam Ought to Be Snooping
    Follow the link, it's worth reading.


    "But Americans have more on the surveillance front to worry about than overzealous government agents. Government personnel aren’t actually doing the snooping the 29-year-old Snowden revealed. NSA officials have contracted this snooping out — to private corporate contractors.

    These surveillance contracts, in turn, are making contractor executives exceedingly rich. And none have profited personally more than the power suits who run Booz Allen Hamilton and the private equity Carlyle Group.

    Whistle-blower Snowden did his snooping as a Booz Allen employee. Booz Allen, overall, has had tens of thousands of employees doing intelligence work for the federal government.

    Booz Allen alumni also populate the highest echelons of America’s intelligence apparatus — and vice versa. The Obama administration’s top intelligence official, James Clapper, just happens to be a former Booz Allen exec. The George W. Bush intelligence chief, John McConnell, now serves as the Booz Allen vice chair.

    All these revolving doors open up into enormously lucrative worlds. In their 2010 fiscal year, the top five Booz Allen execs together pocketed just under $20 million. They averaged 23 times what members of Congress take home.

    But the real windfalls are flowing to top execs at the Carlyle Group, Booz Allen’s parent company since 2008. In 2011, Carlyle’s top three power suits shared a combined payday over $400 million.

    More windfalls will be arriving soon. Carlyle paid $2.54 billion to buy up Booz Allen. Analysts are now expecting that Carlyle’s ultimate return on the acquisition will triple the private equity giant’s initial cash outlay.

    What do all these mega millions have to do with the massive surveillance that Edward Snowden has so dramatically exposed? Washington power players, from the President on down, are insisting that this surveillance has one and only one purpose: keeping Americans safe from terrorism."

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    Re: Lying to the USA people's elected representatives!

    Quote Originally Posted by DaveFagan View Post
    Who are these people?
    Where Uncle Sam Ought to Be Snooping
    Follow the link, it's worth reading.


    "But Americans have more on the surveillance front to worry about than overzealous government agents. Government personnel aren’t actually doing the snooping the 29-year-old Snowden revealed. NSA officials have contracted this snooping out — to private corporate contractors.

    These surveillance contracts, in turn, are making contractor executives exceedingly rich. And none have profited personally more than the power suits who run Booz Allen Hamilton and the private equity Carlyle Group.

    Whistle-blower Snowden did his snooping as a Booz Allen employee. Booz Allen, overall, has had tens of thousands of employees doing intelligence work for the federal government.

    Booz Allen alumni also populate the highest echelons of America’s intelligence apparatus — and vice versa. The Obama administration’s top intelligence official, James Clapper, just happens to be a former Booz Allen exec. The George W. Bush intelligence chief, John McConnell, now serves as the Booz Allen vice chair.

    All these revolving doors open up into enormously lucrative worlds. In their 2010 fiscal year, the top five Booz Allen execs together pocketed just under $20 million. They averaged 23 times what members of Congress take home.

    But the real windfalls are flowing to top execs at the Carlyle Group, Booz Allen’s parent company since 2008. In 2011, Carlyle’s top three power suits shared a combined payday over $400 million.

    More windfalls will be arriving soon. Carlyle paid $2.54 billion to buy up Booz Allen. Analysts are now expecting that Carlyle’s ultimate return on the acquisition will triple the private equity giant’s initial cash outlay.

    What do all these mega millions have to do with the massive surveillance that Edward Snowden has so dramatically exposed? Washington power players, from the President on down, are insisting that this surveillance has one and only one purpose: keeping Americans safe from terrorism."



    Right and putting cash in the pockets of those with the right connections.

    These people have a valid reason to do what they can to ensure that the Global War On Terror lasts a long time.

    They are also some of the people that President Eisenhower (One Republican that I have always liked.) warned us about back in January, 1961: Eisenhower warns us of the military industrial complex. - YouTube

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    Re: Lying to the USA people's elected representatives!

    Quote Originally Posted by shrubnose View Post
    Right and putting cash in the pockets of those with the right connections.

    These people have a valid reason to do what they can to ensure that the Global War On Terror lasts a long time.

    They are also some of the people that President Eisenhower (One Republican that I have always liked.) warned us about back in January, 1961: Eisenhower warns us of the military industrial complex. - YouTube

    I try to keep this post alive because it is about Snowden, and may be the impetus behind his whistleblowing. I certainly would not have tried to go through Congress or proper channels after witnessing the lying scumbags lie to "our," the people's investigators. If a Congressman can't get a straight answer, what chance does a lowly civil servant have. Zero! Zip! Nada! Reality strikes.

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