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Thread: Edward Snowden - Jail, or a Parade?

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    Edward Snowden - Jail, or a Parade?

    NSA leaker holed up in Hong Kong hotel, running low on cash - CNN.com <-- clicky


    Hong Kong (CNN) -- The man behind of one of the biggest leaks in the history of U.S. intelligence is a former technical assistant for the CIA who is now holed up in a Hong Kong hotel, in danger of running out of money and hoping to find asylum somewhere in the world.
    Edward Snowden, 29, was identified over the weekend by American and British newspapers as the person who exposed details of a top-secret American program that collects vast streams of phone and Internet data.
    So, is he a hero, or traitor?

    Would you put him in jail? Or throw him a parade?

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    Re: Edward Snowden - Jail, or a Parade?

    Quote Originally Posted by Dragonfly View Post
    So, is he a hero, or traitor?
    He's a hero. There is a key difference between this guy's actions and those of Manning: This guy actually had access to the data he was releasing, he went through it and made informed decisions with regards what to make public. Manning only knew the contents of a fraction of what he released, and even that he only knew because he was told, all the files he "leaked" were encrypted and he had no idea what the actual contents of most of them were when he handed them over to be decrypted by people he really didn't know all that well. As such, he can't claim to have been making an informed decision.

    To me, that marks a massive difference between the two.
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    Re: Edward Snowden - Jail, or a Parade?

    Snowden is the equivalent of Dennis Rodman, looking for a well-heeled donor to give him a life of ease as a symbol of resistance to American hegemony.

    Snowden didn't act as a patriot, he skeedadled to Hong Kong instead of facing up to what he did. Hell, I don't think his intentions were as an enemy of the U.S. either. He wanted to get famous and live the good life. Like Manning, I don't think he really understood what he was getting in to. I wish him luck.
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    Re: Edward Snowden - Jail, or a Parade?

    Quote Originally Posted by HumanBeing View Post
    He's a hero. There is a key difference between this guy's actions and those of Manning: This guy actually had access to the data he was releasing, he went through it and made informed decisions with regards what to make public. Manning only knew the contents of a fraction of what he released, and even that he only knew because he was told, all the files he "leaked" were encrypted and he had no idea what the actual contents of most of them were when he handed them over to be decrypted by people he really didn't know all that well. As such, he can't claim to have been making an informed decision.

    To me, that marks a massive difference between the two.
    So what if Snowden was more selective? They both made public top secret information, and, as employees of the state, had an oath of confidentiality, no?
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    Re: Edward Snowden - Jail, or a Parade?

    Quote Originally Posted by Middleground View Post
    So what if Snowden was more selective? They both made public top secret information, and, as employees of the state, had an oath of confidentiality, no?
    It's not about being more or less selective, it's about Snowden making an informed decision based on data he could actually see, compared to Manning who didn't even know exactly what he was leaking or who he was leaking it to. One is an informed decision, the other is arguably a lot more reckless (though just to be clear, I'm not in a position to be condemning either of them).
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    Re: Edward Snowden - Jail, or a Parade?

    He wants to portray himself as engaging in Civil Disobedience. Let him. Jail.

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    Re: Edward Snowden - Jail, or a Parade?

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    He wants to portray himself as engaging in Civil Disobedience. Let him. Jail.
    So you view the data mining and surveillance by our government as reasonable and legitimate behavior?

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    Re: Edward Snowden - Jail, or a Parade?

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    He wants to portray himself as engaging in Civil Disobedience. Let him. Jail.
    There are consequences for such things, and that he's running away from them speaks volumes. He's 29 and running out of money in a foreign land? Cry me a river.

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    Re: Edward Snowden - Jail, or a Parade?

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    He wants to portray himself as engaging in Civil Disobedience. Let him. Jail.
    How could he go to jail if he didn't do anything illegal ? All he did was report on illegal activity.

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