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Edward Snowden - Jail, or a Parade?

Jail or a Parade

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clownboy said:
The US Mail is not protected by Constitution, at least the founders didn't believe so. In fact, that's how we caught Benedict Arnold - agents of the proto-government intercepted and read his mail. Quite a lot of that was done in the beginning years of our nation.
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There was a lot which was done in the beginning years of our nation which was blatantly unconstitutional.
 
Jail. The actions he felt so strongly opposed to were sanctioned through legal means, his disclosure of them was not.
 
zstep18 said:
It violates the the Fourth Amendment and Supreme Court precedent. It's an "unreasonable" search and seizure. The Court has ruled that monitoring a private conversation constitutes a search, and therefore, requires a warrant. So, warrantless surveillance of millions of American citizens is unconstitutional.
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The SCOTUS has never ruled that Americans cannot be spied upon. They have ruled that "monitoring a private conversation constitutes a search, and therefore, requires a warrant", you are correct in that. Of course, in light of the founding government's own behavior the decision was just another SCOTUS rewrite of the Constitution. Regardless, the issue at hand in this thread is a warranted search.
 
a351 said:
Jail. The actions he felt so strongly opposed to were sanctioned through legal means, his disclosure of them was not.
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Agreed, and this sort of case is precisely what the Executive power of clemency is all about. He should be convicted and given clemency.
 
I am shocked that there a select number of senators are saying that this person should be tried for treason.

This guy is a hero.
 
zstep18 said:
I am shocked that there a select number of senators are saying that this person should be tried for treason.

This guy is a hero.
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Do you just keep repeating the same thing over and over, even when presented with facts?
 
Henrin said:
Well, isn't that unfortunate. My ability to care is seriously lacking..
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Well perhaps that is because it is not your job to protect your fellow citizens, and cannot be held responsible if you fail to do so.
 
OldWorldOrder said:
Do you just keep repeating the same thing over and over, even when presented with facts?
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1.) When did I repeat that I was shocked that senators are wanting to try this guy for treason?
2.) When did I repeat that this guy was a hero?
 
Kanstantine said:
You gave permission to the NSA to spy on your international cellphone calls?
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Broadly, nigh on everything I do, from my electronic communications to my sexual habits are subject to potential monitoring.
 
I'm leaning somewhat toward parade, but still not certain of all the facts.
 
cpwill said:
Broadly, nigh on everything I do, from my electronic communications to my sexual habits are subject to potential monitoring.
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So, what if, down the line, the target is not terrorist activity, but say, something like political affiliation? What if the government is secretly going after people involved with certain political affiliations?

The whole "I have nothing to hide" idea is great until one day you do have something to hide.
 
zstep18 said:
So, what if, down the line, the target is not terrorist activity, but say, something like political affiliation? What if the government is secretly going after people involved with certain political affiliations?
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Well, my particular political affiliations are subject to monitoring, but I would agree, for the general American populace, to use this to monitor political affiliations outside of actual threat - groups (if you are a founding member of the 'We Love Jihad Against The Infidel Party', well, you maybe will get looked at) that would be an absolute abuse of this power.
 
humbolt said:
There are consequences for such things, and that he's running away from them speaks volumes. He's 29 and running out of money in a foreign land? Cry me a river.
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There are senators who want to try him for treason.....

There is no prohibiting the freedom of the press.....unless the press exposes that the government is unlawfully spying on American civilians.
 
dont see how he can be tried for treason,...in order to do that the man would have to conspire with another government.

and there is no evidence of that.
 
cpwill said:
Well perhaps that is because it is not your job to protect your fellow citizens, and cannot be held responsible if you fail to do so.
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It's not their job either.
 
cpwill said:
Well, my particular political affiliations are subject to monitoring, but I would agree, for the general American populace, to use this to monitor political affiliations outside of actual threat - groups (if you are a founding member of the 'We Love Jihad Against The Infidel Party', well, you maybe will get looked at) that would be an absolute abuse of this power.
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As Justin Bartha said in National Treasure, "We probably have our own satellite by now". :lol:
 
cpwill said:
Well, my particular political affiliations are subject to monitoring, but I would agree, for the general American populace, to use this to monitor political affiliations outside of actual threat - groups (if you are a founding member of the 'We Love Jihad Against The Infidel Party', well, you maybe will get looked at) that would be an absolute abuse of this power.
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You're under the Hatch Act like any govt employee.
 
Our government has found the perfect vehicle for stripping it's citizens of their liberties and freedoms. It's terrorism, and it's been working wonders.

With each and every freedom we give up in the name of fighting terrorism, we allow the terrorists to win.

Fear is such a wonderful motivator and tool.

"We have to spy on you - it's for your own safety."

That's so nice. Makes me feel all warm and fuzzy.

"We must trample on your rights, and erode your freedom down to a tiny nub. It's for your own good. Honestly. It's all to keep you safe."

I'm fairly shocked at how many people are not more outraged over this kind of government activity.
 
zstep18 said:
There are senators who want to try him for treason.....

There is no prohibiting the freedom of the press.....unless the press exposes that the government is unlawfully spying on American civilians.
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I don't think the NSA has any business with such data. I don't think Snowden had any business exposing the NSA, either. Two separate events. Treason? Had Snowden been a higher level employee, that word would never come up.
 
I wonder if Obama had a chance to drone strike this guy...if he would?

Probably not...even pathetic Obama is not that pathetic...is he?
 
If there is any interest, the Internet spy hole is a Microsoft back door in all Windows operating systems since WIN95 OSR2. The filename is ADVAPI.DLL and on my computer comes up as ADVAPI32.GLL and headed EN US. I presume that means encryption us. If your computer is "sending" more data than you can account for, it is probably the data dump associated with this "back door." That is so they can spy on YOU! Do something. Heads should roll at NSA for this. Check Clapper, lies, Wyden, Udall, on google.
 
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