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Thread: Edward Snowden - Jail, or a Parade?

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    Re: Edward Snowden - Jail, or a Parade?

    Quote Originally Posted by Surtr View Post
    Unfortunately for Snowden, that is entirely irrelevant, and for his own safety, he should expedite himself for trial.
    So for his own safety he should give himself up to the state?

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    Re: Edward Snowden - Jail, or a Parade?

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    You don't need to accept your punishment in order to be a patriot. I seriously advise you take a moment and consider exactly what a patriot is and seriously consider how silly it is to claim that if we are to be a patriot we must in turn give up our freedom. I would think someone like yourself would understand what a patriot actually fights for and why your statement is absurd on its face.
    I am a firm believer in the concept of "civil disobedience", but I firmly agree with this. One should be willing to take their punishment if they have to, and there are select times where it even furthers the cause, but I don't blame people for also wanting to remain free.
    If you claim sexual harassment to be wrong, yet you defend anyone on your side for any reason,
    then you are a hypocrite and everything you say on the matter is just babble.

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    Re: Edward Snowden - Jail, or a Parade?

    Quote Originally Posted by radcen View Post
    I thoroughly disagree with this.

    The good life? Really? Country hopping? Always looking over your shoulder? Forgoing a $200K/yr job? I question you definition of the good life.

    Because of Manning, and how he has been squirreled away and is now basically invisible and certainly mute, I think he knows exactly what he is doing. Skipping out to another country is what allows him (for the time being) to tell his side.
    If he is smart he is no longer in Hong Kong.

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    Re: Edward Snowden - Jail, or a Parade?

    Quote Originally Posted by radcen View Post
    I am a firm believer in the concept of "civil disobedience", but I firmly agree with this. One should be willing to take their punishment if they have to, and there are select times where it even furthers the cause, but I don't blame people for also wanting to remain free.
    People don't fight for the people to lose their own freedom or life. It just an unfortunate consequence of taking on an enemy that no one can ever hope to defeat. I don't see any reason why one must accept their fate willingly, but I see plenty of reasons to do whatever you can to survive. In my eyes, accepting the punishment is accepting that what you did was wrong and that your enemy is right in their actions.

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    Re: Edward Snowden - Jail, or a Parade?

    Quote Originally Posted by grip View Post
    He made no other promises? He's kept them all? Transparency? Fact Alert: Nope.
    I didn't say that he "made no other promises". I didn't say that he "kept them all." I said that he told people "it's going to be tough and we won't get all our objectives" and then got elected contrary to your assertion that one cannot say those things and also get elected. Get it yet?

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    Re: Edward Snowden - Jail, or a Parade?

    Quote Originally Posted by Middleground View Post
    Both gripes have to do with injustices done by the US government, no? For Manning it was the information he had on the killing of those journalists in Iraq, I believe.
    Manning didn't know he had information on journalists being killed in Iraq.

    He just wanted to hurt the military so he started uploading documents.

    There's a tremendous difference between their behavior, in my opinion.

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    Re: Edward Snowden - Jail, or a Parade?

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    So for his own safety he should give himself up to the state?
    He's former military, CIA, and worked under the NSA. When he released that information, he put a huge bullseye on the back of his head.
    I love the NSA. It's like having a secret fan-base you will never see, but they're there, watching everything you write and it makes me feel all warm and fuzzy inside knowing that I may be some person's only form of unconstitutional entertainment one night.

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    Re: Edward Snowden - Jail, or a Parade?

    Quote Originally Posted by Surtr View Post
    He's former military, CIA, and worked under the NSA. When he released that information, he put a huge bullseye on the back of his head.
    I would rather take my chances with reserving my own freedom than to just give up and allow the state to do whatever they want with me. The same applies to whatever crime I commit, really. He has already pretty much admitted he will get caught, but like a rational person he isn't willing to just allow the state to do whatever they want with him.

    I'm really sorry that he isn't willing to accept he has done anything wrong by turning himself in like you desire him to do. I'm also really sorry he desires to be free. Both are really horrible, aren't they?

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    Re: Edward Snowden - Jail, or a Parade?

    Quote Originally Posted by ThePlayDrive View Post
    I didn't say that he "made no other promises". I didn't say that he "kept them all." I said that he told people "it's going to be tough and we won't get all our objectives" and then got elected contrary to your assertion that one cannot say those things and also get elected. Get it yet?

    I said if that's all a politician says they won't get elected, not as an addendum. No candidate usually says only that comment or the summary. Do you get that?
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    Re: Edward Snowden - Jail, or a Parade?

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    I would rather take my chances with reserving my own freedom than to just give up and allow the state to do whatever they want with me. The same applies to whatever crime I commit, really. He has already pretty much admitted he will get caught, but like a rational person he isn't willing to just allow the state to do whatever they want with him.
    He gave that up when he revealed who he was, what he did, and where he's at. Turning himself in is his only chance.
    I love the NSA. It's like having a secret fan-base you will never see, but they're there, watching everything you write and it makes me feel all warm and fuzzy inside knowing that I may be some person's only form of unconstitutional entertainment one night.

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