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    Re: Edward Snowden - Jail, or a Parade?

    Quote Originally Posted by humbolt View Post
    The pattern of abuse is unmistakable.
    The data mining appears to be legal, i.e., it's legal until it is declared illegal. I do wonder if it would cease should it be declared illegal. I also wonder if Congress is up to the task of answering the public on the issue. Lindsay the Grahamcracker and a handful of GOP bullwonkers seem to think it's just fine. What a bunch of morooons.
    That's the thing ... the pattern ... so what talking points do we hear now meant to discourage any talk of a pattern?
    "Don't conflate something like the IRS scandal with the NRA programs."
    That doesn't help their credibility.

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    Re: Edward Snowden - Jail, or a Parade?

    Far fetched? Think so? Could never happen?

    Edward Snowden - Jail, or a Parade?-obama-prism-jpg

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    Re: Edward Snowden - Jail, or a Parade?

    Quote Originally Posted by bubbabgone View Post
    That's the thing ... the pattern ... so what talking points do we hear now meant to discourage any talk of a pattern?
    "Don't conflate something like the IRS scandal with the NRA programs."
    That doesn't help their credibility.
    It surely doesn't. I can well see that the majority of those not politically involved might yawn at the IRS thing. When you start messing with their Facebook pages, though...

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    Re: Edward Snowden - Jail, or a Parade?

    I would like to have seen 'parade' replaced with 'praise'...but I voted for the former anyway.

    But I do think - based on what I know of all this - that he is a hero.

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    Re: Edward Snowden - Jail, or a Parade?

    Quote Originally Posted by bubbabgone View Post
    Far fetched? Think so? Could never happen?

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    NSA "Boundless Informant" Heat Map Shows Surveillance Areas Around The Globe - HotHardware

    And here's the info to support the mining and Clapper's involvement and Clapper's perjury to the Congressional Committee. Let Snowden remain free, Jail Clapper.

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    Re: Edward Snowden - Jail, or a Parade?

    Quote Originally Posted by Dragonfly View Post
    NSA leaker holed up in Hong Kong hotel, running low on cash - CNN.com <-- clicky




    So, is he a hero, or traitor?

    Would you put him in jail? Or throw him a parade?
    Parade. You cannot control the government if you don't know what the government is doing. The government is committing treason and it's high time this **** gets out in the open.
    You know the time is right to take control, we gotta take offense against the status quo

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    Edward Snowden - Jail, or a Parade?

    Quote Originally Posted by Kanstantine View Post
    Assassinating Hitler would have also been an illegal act.
    hellooooooo godwin!
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    Re: Edward Snowden - Jail, or a Parade?

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    That is not what I said. But he broke the law. I happen to believe that the Rule of Law is important.
    An individual "breaking the law" to expose something on the size and scope of what our government is/was doing surely must be excusable shouldn't it?


    The kind of thing you suggest is like the insanity of the zero tolerance laws where a kid gets disciplined for a pop tart eaten into the shape of a gun.


    If the country/government is breaking a law, or violating the constitution, then isn't it the DUTY of an individual who discovers that violation to expose it for what it is?

    Or to put it another way - isn't it a worse violation of your country to not expose something of this nature if you know it's going on?

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    Re: Edward Snowden - Jail, or a Parade?

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    That is not what I said. But he broke the law. I happen to believe that the Rule of Law is important.
    Whereas I happen to think that Freedom and Liberty of the People is important and that to keep a properly restrained government requires an educated populace, including knowledge of government activity.
    You know the time is right to take control, we gotta take offense against the status quo

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    Re: Edward Snowden - Jail, or a Parade?

    Quote Originally Posted by Middleground View Post
    So what if Snowden was more selective? They both made public top secret information, and, as employees of the state, had an oath of confidentiality, no?
    I look at it that if your bosses are behaving unethically and/or immorally your responsibility to your employers i.e. the general public, overrules any oath of confidentiality or official secrets laws.
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