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Thread: Edward Snowden - Jail, or a Parade?

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    Re: Edward Snowden - Jail, or a Parade?

    Quote Originally Posted by Dragonfly View Post
    So you view the data mining and surveillance by our government as reasonable and legitimate behavior?
    That's a different subject entirely.

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    Re: Edward Snowden - Jail, or a Parade?

    Quote Originally Posted by HumanBeing View Post
    He's a hero. There is a key difference between this guy's actions and those of Manning: This guy actually had access to the data he was releasing, he went through it and made informed decisions with regards what to make public. Manning only knew the contents of a fraction of what he released, and even that he only knew because he was told, all the files he "leaked" were encrypted and he had no idea what the actual contents of most of them were when he handed them over to be decrypted by people he really didn't know all that well. As such, he can't claim to have been making an informed decision.

    To me, that marks a massive difference between the two.
    Another difference is that one was in the military while the other was a civilian.

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    Re: Edward Snowden - Jail, or a Parade?

    Quote Originally Posted by Dragonfly View Post
    So you view the data mining and surveillance by our government as reasonable and legitimate behavior?
    That is not what I said. But he broke the law. I happen to believe that the Rule of Law is important.

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    Re: Edward Snowden - Jail, or a Parade?

    Quote Originally Posted by solletica View Post
    How could he go to jail if he didn't do anything illegal ? All he did was report on illegal activity.
    Incorrect. The divulgance of classified information is indeed illegal. That is why we put people in jail for espionage.

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    Re: Edward Snowden - Jail, or a Parade?

    Quote Originally Posted by nota bene View Post
    Another difference is that one was in the military while the other was a civilian.
    Are CIA classed as civilians? Sorry, I'm not American and don't actually know. I assumed his level of legal responsibility would have been greater than a regular civilian.
    If you hate capitalism so much, then just write everything in lower case. Problem solved.

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    Re: Edward Snowden - Jail, or a Parade?

    I don't think anything will happen to him. Because he revealed himself, the gummint can't shove make him disappear in Guantanamo without raising suspicion.

    That means he'll get a trial, but in that trial, the gummint is going to have a tough time prosecuting him, seeing that he can just argue in court that the act which he tattled on was itself illegal (i. e. unconstitutional), UNLESS the gummint can find a solid legal justification for its spying, which could be tough because lawyers are already saying that the spying program couldn't be defended under FISA.

    So holder is gonna have to work out a plea agreement, but even that could be difficult, because as a NSA contractor, it's likely this guy could threaten to reveal much more than he already has.

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    Re: Edward Snowden - Jail, or a Parade?

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    Incorrect. The divulgance of classified information is indeed illegal.
    Not if the classified act was itself illegal.

    So if Obama ordered the Delta Force to assassinate 30 elementary school kids in Pakistan becasue they sent him hate mail, and then decided to classify it, and then someone leaked it, would that person be breaking the law ?

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    Re: Edward Snowden - Jail, or a Parade?

    Quote Originally Posted by Dragonfly View Post
    NSA leaker holed up in Hong Kong hotel, running low on cash - CNN.com <-- clicky




    So, is he a hero, or traitor?

    Would you put him in jail? Or throw him a parade?
    The information released by Snowden proves absolutely that the head of the NSA, Clapper, lied to a Congressional Committee of Wyden and Udall. Lied. That would be perjury. Clapper said no surveillance occurred in the USA and if it did, it definitely could not be quantified or identified. PRISM gives an exact count and has been doing so since 2007 and before. Billions and billions are revealed on the colorful intercept charts of worldwide snooping. Why aren't the citizens demanding the arrest of Clapper for perjury? He's the criminal.

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    Re: Edward Snowden - Jail, or a Parade?

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    That is not what I said. But he broke the law. I happen to believe that the Rule of Law is important.
    Sorry, he didn't break the law because the classified material that he revealed was directly related to illegal activity. That's being a rat, not a criminal.

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    Re: Edward Snowden - Jail, or a Parade?

    He's a hero and deserves our endless support.

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