View Poll Results: What is/was your rank/grade

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  • E7

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Thread: Military folks, what is your rank?

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    Re: Military folks, what is your rank?

    Quote Originally Posted by APACHERAT View Post
    My first experience with Army WO's was in Vietnam, there were hundreds and hundreds of them. The first time I got in to an Army Slick it was pointed out to me that Army WO's were different from Marine WO's that all of these Army helicopter WO's only had a high school education. But I learned they had high GCT scores around 115 and above.

    Have no idea if I was being jerked off or not at the time but I was told that the Army WO's helicopter pilots made better helicopter pilots than the college grad officers. That they were crazier. That was reassuring to hear. Yep, they were crazy flyers and that's what the Army wanted.

    The Marine Corps "Gunner Warrant Officer" is probably the most respected rank in the Marine Corps.
    I'm not too sure what your point is with the "crazy flyer" routine, but on many occasions, I've seen Army dust off pilots fly into the absolute hottest sorts of jungle frontline contact situations in order to get wounded and dying Americans out and to medical care. If you're looking to spew some silly ridicule, I'd suggest that you take it somewhere else other than those guys. Risking their lives to save our guys was their entire job description and I never saw one refuse to come in no matter how dangerous it was for them personally. Many died trying.

    Give some thought to the fact that some remarks are just plain inappropriate and unnecessary.
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    Re: Military folks, what is your rank?

    Quote Originally Posted by APACHERAT View Post
    My first experience with Army WO's was in Vietnam, there were hundreds and hundreds of them. The first time I got in to an Army Slick it was pointed out to me that Army WO's were different from Marine WO's that all of these Army helicopter WO's only had a high school education. But I learned they had high GCT scores around 115 and above.

    Have no idea if I was being jerked off or not at the time but I was told that the Army WO's helicopter pilots made better helicopter pilots than the college grad officers. That they were crazier. That was reassuring to hear. Yep, they were crazy flyers and that's what the Army wanted.

    The Marine Corps "Gunner Warrant Officer" is probably the most respected rank in the Marine Corps.
    That's only aviation warrant officers. (pilots) There are many warrant officer branches. For instance, I was in a job where you had to have several years experience and leadership in the technical field you wanted to go warrant in. It was a big deal and a big honor for those that went.
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    Re: Military folks, what is your rank?

    Quote Originally Posted by Ray410 View Post
    I'm not too sure what your point is with the "crazy flyer" routine, .
    Radical turns and banking of the helicopter as if it were a fixed wing aircraft.

    If you knew me on this forum you should know I always talk in historical context, or other wise I used the words that were used back then in historical context.

    44 years ago while in-country, I was told that Army WO helicopter pilots were crazy flayers. Do you have a problem with that ? It wasn't my opinion or comment, it was what I was told. I also seem to remember being told that the Army WO pilots would take risk that the commissioned officer pilots normally wouldn't.

    Personally I think the Marine CH-46 pilots were just as crazy. More than a few times I thought the pilot was going to do a complete roll.

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    Re: Military folks, what is your rank?

    Quote Originally Posted by APACHERAT View Post
    A Marine or naval warrant officer is significantly different from an Army warrant officer. It's like comparing a Harley Davidson to a Schwinn bike. (Bad comparison, sorry Army.)

    Marine Corps WO requirements:

    Be serving on active duty (other than active duty for training) in the Regular Marine Corps and meet the following grade and time in service criteria, as applicable:
    (1) For the Technical WO program, minimum grade of sergeant and have not less than 8 or more than 16 years of active naval service.
    (2) For the Non-technical (Marine Gunner) WO program, minimum grade of gunnery sergeant and have not less than 16 or more than 23 years of active naval service.
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    The requirements for your Technical WO program seem similar to ours, though you can get away with a few less years if you meet the rank requirement. In my particular MOS I ahd to get the written recommendations of two senior warrants in my field. I do think the way the Marines and Navy do it is better, though. A warrant is supposed to be a subject matter expert so there is an advantage in selecting from, say, E-7s.

    I think the culture of the Army recruiting warrants earlier on comes from our aviator program. Most Army aviators are warrant officers and they like their pilots young, so there is no rank or time in service requirement for the aviator program. Hell, we even have what we call “high school to flight school” warrants. You think a senior NCO gets annoyed at having to salute sum 23 year old butter bar? What about saluting a 19 year old spot? Fortunately they just fly and don’t command, though. But I think to an extent that culture has carried over into the non-aviator warrant fields as well.

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    Re: Military folks, what is your rank?

    Sergeant, E-5 type. Currently thinking about going "O."

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    Re: Military folks, what is your rank?

    It may be a bit off topic. But in the coming weeks Dardania will be celebrating it's freedom. Specifically these are the days from 1999 when NATO troops entered and scumbag Serbs left. So whichever order you may be, put your ranks or any military symbol you could wear outside of base or whatever, and join in the feast specially designed for you here. Your stay will be welcomed just by association (i.e., you do not have to be involved in the intervention then).

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    Re: Military folks, what is your rank?

    Quote Originally Posted by APACHERAT View Post
    My first experience with Army WO's was in Vietnam, there were hundreds and hundreds of them. The first time I got in to an Army Slick it was pointed out to me that Army WO's were different from Marine WO's that all of these Army helicopter WO's only had a high school education. But I learned they had high GCT scores around 115 and above.

    Have no idea if I was being jerked off or not at the time but I was told that the Army WO's helicopter pilots made better helicopter pilots than the college grad officers. That they were crazier. That was reassuring to hear. Yep, they were crazy flyers and that's what the Army wanted.

    The Marine Corps "Gunner Warrant Officer" is probably the most respected rank in the Marine Corps.
    I do think there is a difference between Army warrant aviators and commissioned officer aviators. Commissioned do a lot more than just fly. Right now there is an Army major aviator in the office next to me and the vast majority of his career has NOT been in a cockpit. With rare exceptions commissioned officers are lucky to be flying anything other than a desk once O-4 and after. Warrant aviators fly. Their whole career they fly. They aren’t jockeying for staff positions and increasing levels of command. They fly. When you rack up those kind of flight hours you probably do feel more confident taking more risks.

    I have known two commissioned officers who resigned their commissions to go warrant because they just wanted to stay in the cockpit.

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    Re: Military folks, what is your rank?

    Quote Originally Posted by RabidAlpaca View Post
    That's only aviation warrant officers. (pilots) There are many warrant officer branches. For instance, I was in a job where you had to have several years experience and leadership in the technical field you wanted to go warrant in. It was a big deal and a big honor for those that went.
    I believe that only the Air Force doesn't have WO's.

    I have no idea why E-5 is linked to E-6. ?

    During the Vietnam War, any rank E-6 and above were considered to be lifers.

    The Marines E-3 Lance Corporal of today is nothing more than a glorified PFC. Back when they brought back the L/Cpl rank in the early 60's it usually had some meaning. No real additional responsibilities but enough to keep you out of any real #### details. But when you made E-4 Cpl, it was a whole lot of new responsibilities, usually being responsible for well being and lives of three Marines. (The Rule of Three)

    The Army's enlisted rank structure was really weird during the Vietnam War. All of the different specialist ranks, as if they were Navy ratings.

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    E-6, waiting for Chief's board and then results.
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    Re: Military folks, what is your rank?

    Quote Originally Posted by APACHERAT View Post
    I believe that only the Air Force doesn't have WO's.

    I have no idea why E-5 is linked to E-6. ?

    During the Vietnam War, any rank E-6 and above were considered to be lifers.

    The Marines E-3 Lance Corporal of today is nothing more than a glorified PFC. Back when they brought back the L/Cpl rank in the early 60's it usually had some meaning. No real additional responsibilities but enough to keep you out of any real #### details. But when you made E-4 Cpl, it was a whole lot of new responsibilities, usually being responsible for well being and lives of three Marines. (The Rule of Three)

    The Army's enlisted rank structure was really weird during the Vietnam War. All of the different specialist ranks, as if they were Navy ratings.
    The poll would only allow me to list 10 options so I had to collate some of them. And admittedly in doing so I did so with the bias of a modern day Army member. E-5s and E-6s are both considered “junior NCOs” in today’s Army. And most E-4s in the Army are not Corporals, and thus not NCOs, so I lumped them in with E1s-E3s. I tried to give the “senior NCOs” their own slots. Admittedly the break down may not be perfect.

    I agree, the specialist ranks back then were confusing. Though I have to say, I don’t necessarily think that having a career path in the military, such as a career Specialist in which one just focuses on doing a particular job but never takes on higher leadership roles, is a bad thing. I have known Army mechanics who were damn good mechanics but who should NOT be leading soldiers. Why force them to move up to the NCO ranks or get out? Why not just let them keep fixing vehicles if that is what they excel at?

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