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    Should the Patriot Act be allowed to expire?

    The Patriot Act currently lasts for another couple of years, requiring Congressional action to continue it. Should it be continued or allowed to expire?

    (I'm intentionally not creating the "Repeal it now" option; I'm assuming that Congress and the president are very unlikely to do that.)
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    Re: Should the Patriot Act be allowed to expire?

    Allowed to expire, however, I believe the cat's already out of the bag, and can't be put back in.
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    Re: Should the Patriot Act be allowed to expire?

    Allow that **** to kick the can!


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    Re: Should the Patriot Act be allowed to expire?

    It should be fixed to better respect Constitutional protections.

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    Re: Should the Patriot Act be allowed to expire?

    We should let it expire, although I'd prefer it be repealed now.

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    Re: Should the Patriot Act be allowed to expire?

    I think that with the trend of trying to tone down the War on Terror they will be more likely to let it expire. However I imagine that those provisions that have proved useful and effective in the past will be renewed through the amendment process and probably will go largely unnoticed by the general public..

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    Re: Should the Patriot Act be allowed to expire?

    Alowed to expire?

    It should be given last rights, a blindfold and then immediately taken out and shot by a firing squad armed with assault rifles on full auto.

    Kill the f'er...immediately.

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    Re: Should the Patriot Act be allowed to expire?

    It is amusing to me that those crying about the Patriot Act are the ones who cry loudest when there is a terrorist attack. Of course, simple solutions appeal to people who do not understand all of what they speak of. The Patriot Act is a large, complex piece of legislature which does alot of things. Some are flat out good(enhanced border security and investigative power for the INS for example). Some not so much. What should happen is it should be improved, not some knee jerk reaction that the same people calling for would be the ones complaining loudest about ramifications of it expiring.
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    Re: Should the Patriot Act be allowed to expire?

    Neither, it should be revised to better combat the threats this nation faces as they arise. The enemy is an ideology, and as a result it is constantly evolving in tactics and operation. We need to be just as fluid.
    I love the NSA. It's like having a secret fan-base you will never see, but they're there, watching everything you write and it makes me feel all warm and fuzzy inside knowing that I may be some person's only form of unconstitutional entertainment one night.

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    Re: Should the Patriot Act be allowed to expire?

    Quote Originally Posted by Phys251 View Post
    The Patriot Act currently lasts for another couple of years, requiring Congressional action to continue it. Should it be continued or allowed to expire?

    (I'm intentionally not creating the "Repeal it now" option; I'm assuming that Congress and the president are very unlikely to do that.)
    I can't actually answer your poll because you affixed reasonings to the "yes" and "no".

    We should continue to extend it. As one of the bills biggest critics and a man who voted against it, Russ Fiengold, even acknowledged that 90% of it was a sound bill. And that was back at the time it was passed. Since that time much of the troubled areas have been removed through legislation or the courts. The bill goes a long way of updating our 3 decades old intelligence legislation, much of which presented investigators with HUGE swatches of grey area with the advent of such crazy things such as "cell phones" and "the internet", both of which were the work of science fiction at the time of the last major survellience bill (Of which, large parts of Patriots simply amended).

    We should vote to extend it and continue the process that we'd been doing over the past decade, taking a scapel to it and removing the more problematic parts piece by piece as the publics patience and desire for heightened security at the price of liberty wanes. What we shouldn't do is take an axe to the wound when the scapel woud save the limb while still stopping the wound.

    While one may feasibly go "But we can just repass the good stuff from it", I don't believe that's realisitc. It wasn't realistic prior to PATROIT as this topic is always a contentious one, but when you combine the fact that anything that is born from Patriot would be labeled as it's "spawn" and gain the political stigma that goes along with it, there is little chance that attempting to pass the "good parts" would actually work out.

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