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Thread: Crazy idea. Do you agree with it?

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    Re: Crazy idea. Do you agree with it?

    Quote Originally Posted by Surtr View Post
    The point is that the founding fathers are hardly a source of morality. Most of them were hypocrites and liars.
    When someone is right it hardly matters the source. They are in the end, still right.

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    Re: Crazy idea. Do you agree with it?

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    Wrong. There are mechanisms in place to put those in power who we want to make our laws. We call these things elections. We have the power, directly or indirectly, to control what government does. That you can't be bothered to use those mechanisms is not the fault of the laws.

    Just like Manning had legal avenues to bring forth his allegations of misconduct, you have legal avenues to work towards change of any and every law.
    And what is the legal avenue one is to take in revealing top secret information?

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    Re: Crazy idea. Do you agree with it?

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    And what is the legal avenue one is to take in revealing top secret information?
    Go to his congressman, senator or Inspector General. If he does that, he is immune from any reprisal. That too is laid out in the law of this country.
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    Re: Crazy idea. Do you agree with it?

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    When someone is right it hardly matters the source. They are in the end, still right.
    The source matters a lot. Jefferson can hardly be taken seriously when he spoke of freedom and liberty, and the right of all men to be free while holding slaves simply because the act of slavery allowed him to live a lavish lifestyle free of hard labor.
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    Re: Crazy idea. Do you agree with it?

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    Go to his congressman, senator or Inspector General. If he does that, he is immune from any reprisal. That too is laid out in the law of this country.
    Yeah, that should work well.

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    Re: Crazy idea. Do you agree with it?

    Quote Originally Posted by Surtr View Post
    The source matters a lot. Jefferson can hardly be taken seriously when he spoke of freedom and liberty, and the right of all men to be free while holding slaves simply because the act of slavery allowed him to live a lavish lifestyle free of hard labor.
    When someone is right about something, they are right. Sure they might be hypocrites, but that has no effect on the truth of their words. Btw, Jefferson treated his slaves very well.

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    Re: Crazy idea. Do you agree with it?

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    Here is another crazy idea: how about we actually expect people to obey the laws of the country they choose to live in.
    Which laws?

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    Re: Crazy idea. Do you agree with it?

    Obama: If Americans Don't Trust Government, "We're Going to Have Some Problems"

    Me: Then we have a problem. Many of us don't.

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    Re: Crazy idea. Do you agree with it?

    Alrighty...then who decides what is or isn't treason?
    Nobody who wins a war indulges in a bifurcated definition of victory. War is a political act; victory and defeat have meaning only in political terms. A country incapable of achieving its political objectives at an acceptable cost is losing the war, regardless of battlefield events.

    Bifurcating victory (e.g. winning militarily, losing politically) is a useful salve for defeated armies. The "stab in the back" narrative helped take the sting out of failure for German generals after WWI and their American counterparts after Vietnam.

    All the same, it's nonsense. To paraphrase Vince Lombardi, show me a political loser, and I'll show you a loser.
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