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Is it OK to abort a gay baby?

Gay baby

  • Yes

    Votes: 35 45.5%
  • No

    Votes: 42 54.5%

  • Total voters
    77
I aim to please, milady. ;)
The law technically does give her discretion through the whole pregnancy and that, I cannot agree with. I have posted many times the scientific evidence indicating that the fetus has no awareness, cognition, salience, nor sentience before the 21st week of pregnancy. We can reference those other threads if you like, but I am sure you remember them.

At such a time as the fetus can show the mental capabilities of a human being (baby), then it is has a definitive right to life like any other human. The mother's wishes are no longer all important because her rights end where the new life's begins. Position internal or external of the womb has NEVER been a consideration of mine on this issue.

One primary separation of Theist/Deist from Atheist/Humanist is that a Theist/Deist views the brain as the filter of the conscious while the Atheist/Humanist views the brain as the originator of the consciousness.

Each of these of coarse come from 2 opposed premises.
The Theist/Deist premise: Everything starts with a Consciousness and moves down into the material; ie "God created..";

The Atheist/Humanist premise: Everything starts in the material and moves up into conciseness; ie "Evolution".

Our folly as a people is that we have placed "The Laws of Nature" in opposition to "Nature's God", and this we should not do.

Both the laws of nature and nature’s God entitle one to a separate and equal station.

This is true with women’s rights.
This is true with unborn’s rights.

To proffer one and forsake the other is foolishness, IMO.
 
Assume for a moment that homosexuality is indeed genetic.
Assume for a moment that an unborn child is known to have that gene
Assume for a moment that the parents do not want to take the chance that their child will be a homosexual

It that sufficient reason to abort the unborn baby?



Someone please add a Yes/No poll


Excellent question..........Pro Choice/Abortion people believe that the woman should have the right to abort for any reason......If that is the case then they have to believe its ok to abort a gay baby..........Its her choice.........
 
That's wonderful! Yes, Christmas is grand!

Well merry happy christmahanukwanzika!!! Kidding kidding...I am just elated that finally someone is hearing what I have been saying for the past year or so.

Now what about Jerry's point that if the right to life can be granted by Mom--it's not really an inalienable thing is it. What about the rammifications of that?

Well, I think the inalienable right comes in when the fetus can show its personhood despite the mother's intentions. In other words, a human mind (the mother's intentions) are a fickle thing and subject to change, but the science is not.

Also--what is the definative point, in your opinion, that can be measured accurately so as not to accidentally usurp any person's rights?

Here's where I sell out the pro-choice camp. The science shows that 21 weeks is when all the components of the CNS are connected and that brainwaves alter considerably, showing signs of sleep and wakefulness, dream and consciousness, true response to stimuli rather than just reflex to noxious stimuli. I do not believe that it is too much to ask that the cut off be 18 weeks, just to add a little space there. Eighteen weeks is plenty of time for a woman to make her intentions solid and it provides a reasonable assurance that there is no chance that "an early bloomer" might have his rights infringed upon.

Lastly--would you vote according to that perception? Making abortion past that point illegal and doctors performing them criminals?

Not only would I vote according to that perception but I advocate for others to do the same. I find it offensive in the extreme when I hear pro-choicers talk of fully developed fetuses as nothing until they pass through the uterus and take its first breath. It's just as dishonest to me as calling a 4 celled zygote a baby.
 
Excellent question..........Pro Choice/Abortion people believe that the woman should have the right to abort for any reason......If that is the case then they have to believe its ok to abort a gay baby..........Its her choice.........

You know...Navy....I agree with you.

The choice to terminate a pregnacy is and should always be with the woman carrying the fetus.
I believe that abortion is generally the wrong choice, but it is not my choice to make.
I also believe that there are situations where abortion is more justifiable than others, for example, rape, incest, medical issues, severe emotional/psychological/financial hardship.
I believe that as you often say Navy, a woman shouldn't choose to have an abortion because they are "having a bad hair day". In other words, there are reasons that justify an abortion more than others. Aborting a fetus because you know that when it is born as a child the child will be gay or female or brown eyed, etc.....is more disturbing to me than a woman who makes the decision because she was using birth control and it failed and she cannot afford to raise a child.

But ultimately.....it is the choice of the person who bears the burden of carrying the child and if they make that decision it is theirs to make regardless if we agree with the reason that they make it.
 
You know...Navy....I agree with you.

The choice to terminate a pregnacy is and should always be with the woman carrying the fetus.
I believe that abortion is generally the wrong choice, but it is not my choice to make.
I also believe that there are situations where abortion is more justifiable than others, for example, rape, incest, medical issues, severe emotional/psychological/financial hardship.
I believe that as you often say Navy, a woman shouldn't choose to have an abortion because they are "having a bad hair day". In other words, there are reasons that justify an abortion more than others. Aborting a fetus because you know that when it is born as a child the child will be gay or female or brown eyed, etc.....is more disturbing to me than a woman who makes the decision because she was using birth control and it failed and she cannot afford to raise a child.

But ultimately.....it is the choice of the person who bears the burden of carrying the child and if they make that decision it is theirs to make regardless if we agree with the reason that they make it.[/QUOTE]


So you don't have a problem with a woman having and abortion because her baby has a gay gene?
 
So you don't have a problem with a woman having and abortion because her baby has a gay gene?

Do I have a problem with it? Sure I do....I think that it is not a legitimate reason to have an abortion (believe it or not Navy, most pro-choice people are for the most part against abortion)....but its her choice and I cannot make the decision for her. I may disagree with her justification but I would support her decision.
 
Do I have a problem with it? Sure I do....I think that it is not a legitimate reason to have an abortion (believe it or not Navy, most pro-choice people are for the most part against abortion)....but its her choice and I cannot make the decision for her. I may disagree with her justification but I would support her decision.

Really? I find that very hard to believe...... I think it has something to do with them supporting it.
 
Really? I find that very hard to believe...... I think it has something to do with them supporting it.

That might have something to do with an inability to think in more than one dimension...
 
Really? I find that very hard to believe...... I think it has something to do with them supporting it.

Spook:

What I am saying is that most people I know who are pro-choice, and I know a lot because I have worked for over 20 years with people on this issue, the vast majority of them do not believe that abortion should be used as a form of birth control. Most are very religious people who believe that a pregnant woman should explore all options before deciding to terminate a pregnacy by abortion. There are other pro-choicers who support abortion for any reason.
However, the one common thread to all pro-choice people is that we believe the decision is between the woman and her own spirituality and should not be anyone elses.
 
Really? I find that very hard to believe...... I think it has something to do with them supporting it.

Believe it or not it is true. I Am pro-choice but I also do not agree with abortions. What I do agree with is for women to have a choice on what to do with their own bodies despite my own personal beliefs.
 
Really? I find that very hard to believe...... I think it has something to do with them supporting it.

Its and inconvenience my friend.........Who cares if the baby is slaughtered? Surely not the left...........:roll:
 
Spook:

What I am saying is that most people I know who are pro-choice, and I know a lot because I have worked for over 20 years with people on this issue, the vast majority of them do not believe that abortion should be used as a form of birth control. Most are very religious people who believe that a pregnant woman should explore all options before deciding to terminate a pregnacy by abortion. There are other pro-choicers who support abortion for any reason.
However, the one common thread to all pro-choice people is that we believe the decision is between the woman and her own spirituality and should not be anyone elses.

That is horseshit..........Its all how you pose the question....You will find that most people are pro life..........

I would love to see a nationwide referendum on whether unnecessary abortions should be allowed...........Your side would lose bigtime........
 
Believe it or not it is true. I Am pro-choice but I also do not agree with abortions. What I do agree with is for women to have a choice on what to do with their own bodies despite my own personal beliefs.

That is becauseyou have no feelings or compassion for the innocent defenseless baby in the womb.........
 
Assume for a moment that homosexuality is indeed genetic.
Assume for a moment that an unborn child is known to have that gene
Assume for a moment that the parents do not want to take the chance that their child will be a homosexual

It that sufficient reason to abort the unborn baby?



Someone please add a Yes/No poll

you are either a liberal using comedy to attack conservatives (colbert), or a redneck making other conservatives look bad.

either way: shut up.

abortion before the 2nd trimester should be legal (but only as a last resort) and there is nothing wrong with homosexuality.
 
Its and inconvenience my friend.........Who cares if the baby is slaughtered? Surely not the left...........:roll:

I just think it's interesting how someone says most pro-choice people are actually against abortion......... i question it and then all of a sudden i am a 1 dimensional thinker. what do you think.. kind of interesting?
 
Is it ok to abort a gay baby?

Have we found a way to a determine a baby's sexual orientation while still inside the womb? :|

Thats like asking

"Is it ok to abort fetuses with the possibility of becoming serial killers?"

It's a question bordering on ridiculous.
 
Is it ok to abort a gay baby?

Have we found a way to a determine a baby's sexual orientation while still inside the womb? :|

Thats like asking

"Is it ok to abort fetuses with the possibility of becoming serial killers?"

It's a question bordering on ridiculous.

Could you explain how any of us bettered from this statement? If you are going to bash the OP, why not at least contribute with whether or not you would support the abortion?

The question is a 'hypothetical'.
 
Is it ok to abort a gay baby?

Have we found a way to a determine a baby's sexual orientation while still inside the womb? :|

Thats like asking

"Is it ok to abort fetuses with the possibility of becoming serial killers?"

It's a question bordering on ridiculous.

You need to read the first post of the thread before you respond......thanks..
 
That is becauseyou have no feelings or compassion for the innocent defenseless baby in the womb.........

Actually it's because I don't force my own opinions and beliefs onto those that don't share them.
 
Actually it's because I don't force my own opinions and beliefs onto those that don't share them.

You and your liberal friends are forcing them on me...........One more judge is all we need on the SCOTUS then butchery in the womb will be stopped unless the mothers life is endangered............It will be a sad day for you pro abortion people.........
 
Actually it's because I don't force my own opinions and beliefs onto those that don't share them.

That's good. And if you see a father beating his kid, please don't force your opinions and beliefs onto him. He probably doesn't share them, and you don't want to be intrusive.
 
You and your liberal friends are forcing them on me...........One more judge is all we need on the SCOTUS then butchery in the womb will be stopped unless the mothers life is endangered............It will be a sad day for you pro abortion people.........

See....thats the problem with fanatics like you Navy. Do you really believe for a minute that stacking the court with activist judges is going to stop abortion? You live in a fantasy world.
 
That's good. And if you see a father beating his kid, please don't force your opinions and beliefs onto him. He probably doesn't share them, and you don't want to be intrusive.

Excellent..........:congrats: :applaud
 
See....thats the problem with fanatics like you Navy. Do you really believe for a minute that stacking the court with activist judges is going to stop abortion? You live in a fantasy world.

The activist judges are your left wing friends on the 9th circuit court that get their decisions overturned about 50 percent of the time.........
 
You and your liberal friends are forcing them on me...........One more judge is all we need on the SCOTUS then butchery in the womb will be stopped unless the mothers life is endangered............It will be a sad day for you pro abortion people.........

It will be a sad day for free American when that one more judge takes a seat and we fall under a conservative dictatorship where people no longer have choices.
 
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