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Is it OK to abort a gay baby?

Gay baby

  • Yes

    Votes: 35 45.5%

  • No

    Votes: 42 54.5%
  • Total voters
    77
Redress said:
Count your blessings. When counselors screw up, they screw up peoples minds, bad. My adolescence and puberty where somewhat surreal due to this woman's mistakes.
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I was kidding. I didn't really have a counselor until I went to see one in college over some unresolved issues similar to Vicchio's story.

Basically, I knew I was gay but had issues seperating being gay, and sex in general, from being like the abusers I had known.

It didn't take very long for me to fully get over it once I saw a counselor. The unsavory thought of seeing this guy every week for an hour was good motivation for me to get the hell over it and move on.
 
By the way, to lighten the mood a bit, and in relation to the discussion of what tab P and slot A and V are for, I present Ray Comfort and the Banana, which this conversation reminded me of:

[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YfucpGCm5hY"]YouTube- Origin of species - Science Fail[/ame]
 
jallman said:
I was kidding. I didn't really have a counselor until I went to see one in college over some unresolved issues similar to Vicchio's story.

Basically, I knew I was gay but had issues seperating being gay, and sex in general, from being like the abusers I had known.

It didn't take very long for me to fully get over it once I saw a counselor. The unsavory thought of seeing this guy every week for an hour was good motivation for me to get the hell over it and move on.
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I don't trust em one bit. My sister sent me a letter, on a stationary she got for Christmas, typical little girl stuff, Unicorn's and hearts... and she said "I miss you and love you" on the bottom.

So one dippy broad was convinced we were having an incestuous relationship.

I kid you not.
 
Redress said:
By the way, to lighten the mood a bit, and in relation to the discussion of what tab P and slot A and V are for, I present Ray Comfort and the Banana, which this conversation reminded me of:

YouTube- Origin of species - Science Fail
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That has to be one of the funniest videos ever made. HE'S SO serious about it, yet it's so... gay. There is no other explanation for it.
 
MrVicchio said:
I don't trust em one bit. My sister sent me a letter, on a stationary she got for Christmas, typical little girl stuff, Unicorn's and hearts... and she said "I miss you and love you" on the bottom.

So one dippy broad was convinced we were having an incestuous relationship.

I kid you not.
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I have to wonder how common it is for shrinks to "see" problems where there really are none in an effort to keep a paycheck coming?

There's so much room for abuse, incompetence, and unethical practice in therapy.
 
MrVicchio said:
That has to be one of the funniest videos ever made. HE'S SO serious about it, yet it's so... gay. There is no other explanation for it.
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My first thought when I first saw it was that he had to be a closet gay.
 
EpicDude86 said:
I'm not gay, but I am kinky. Can I get some sort of benefits for being a Dom? We are discriminated against...sometimes...
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I think you and I are the only people on this thread to neither be gay nor ever think that we were gay.
 
jallman said:
I have to wonder how common it is for shrinks to "see" problems where there really are none in an effort to keep a paycheck coming?

There's so much room for abuse, incompetence, and unethical practice in therapy.
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That view is one of the obstacles I'm trying to help someone get past at this very moment.
 
Zyphlin said:
That view is one of the obstacles I'm trying to help someone get past at this very moment.
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It's a legitimate concern. My experience with a counselor was positive for the most part. I just couldn't stand the idea of paying someone to listen to me talk. I am more of the mindset that if I need someone to talk to that damned bad, Jack Daniels is always there to listen.
 
Dav said:
I think you and I are the only people on this thread to neither be gay nor ever think that we were gay.
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Well me personally, and I don't how it is for you, I see 'gay' (that is the sexy sexual act of homosexicalness) as being a fetish/kink that some people enjoy a little, some people enjoy a lot, some people are neither here nor there, and are completely turned off by it.

I can't BE a kink, only be INTO it. You wouldn't say someone who indulges in buttsecks is an Anal. Though some of them can be. The terminology is what throws me off most I think. I guess since it's such a 'popular' fetish and the fact that gay was already and adjective, it easily transitioned into a description of a person rather than a description of a kink. Do I think we need to rename the entire debate? Yes. The debate is about Same-Sex Marriage, as some people already call it, and it's dealing with (hopefully) two people connecting on a far deeper level than a sexual one.

But, I'm rambling and someone's probably going to take issue with what I've written so I'm gonna stop for now. :D
 
EpicDude86 said:
Well me personally, and I don't how it is for you, I see 'gay' (that is the sexy sexual act of homosexicalness) as being a fetish/kink that some people enjoy a little, some people enjoy a lot, some people are neither here nor there, and are completely turned off by it.

I can't BE a kink, only be INTO it. You wouldn't say someone who indulges in buttsecks is an Anal. Though some of them can be. The terminology is what throws me off most I think. I guess since it's such a 'popular' fetish and the fact that gay was already and adjective, it easily transitioned into a description of a person rather than a description of a kink. Do I think we need to rename the entire debate? Yes. The debate is about Same-Sex Marriage, as some people already call it, and it's dealing with (hopefully) two people connecting on a far deeper level than a sexual one.

But, I'm rambling and someone's probably going to take issue with what I've written so I'm gonna stop for now. :D
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Being gay is not just being into gay sex.
 
EpicDude86 said:
Well me personally, and I don't how it is for you, I see 'gay' (that is the sexy sexual act of homosexicalness) as being a fetish/kink that some people enjoy a little, some people enjoy a lot, some people are neither here nor there, and are completely turned off by it.

I can't BE a kink, only be INTO it. You wouldn't say someone who indulges in buttsecks is an Anal. Though some of them can be. The terminology is what throws me off most I think. I guess since it's such a 'popular' fetish and the fact that gay was already and adjective, it easily transitioned into a description of a person rather than a description of a kink. Do I think we need to rename the entire debate? Yes. The debate is about Same-Sex Marriage, as some people already call it, and it's dealing with (hopefully) two people connecting on a far deeper level than a sexual one.

But, I'm rambling and someone's probably going to take issue with what I've written so I'm gonna stop for now. :D
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Dude, you are putting an EPIC amount of thought into this.....;)
I fear you may go over to the dark side if you don't desist...:shock:
Save yourself!......:lol:
 
Redress said:
Being gay is not just being into gay sex.
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I'm going to start phasing out 'homosexual' from the term gay. NO LONGER shall gay mean Homosexual AND Happy AND be a derogatory remark (i.e. That's so gay!). Now it simply shall mean Happy OR a derogatory remark.


I will henceforth try and remember to call Homosexuals, Homosexuals. or Homosexisauruses.


EDIT: Gay Sex = Happy Sex (or really bad sex i.e. That was gay!). End of discussion. I am not changing my viewpoint on this.
 
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Redress said:
Just to comment on this with my own bit of personal dirt. When I was 7, my mother came to the realization she was gay, and her and my father divorced. I handled this poorly, and ended up in counseling. The psychiatrist was convinced I was gay as well. This led to a lot of confusion for a few years, till I came to the realization that no, really I am not. I know where her confusion came from, but this does not change the fact that just because psychiatrists or psychologists or councilors think something does not make it right. They are human and make mistakes too.
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Stuff like this pisses me off. No counselor, psychologist, psychiatrist or any mental health professional is qualified to make that determination. Since sexual orientation is NOT a disorder, no one can determine that but you. It's like someone telling you, "Redress, you like cabbage...I don't care WHAT you say...your favorite food is cabbage."

I've worked with many who presented as unsure of their sexual preference. My job is to encourage them to discuss that an explore issues surrounding sexuality in general. NOT to determine what someone's sexual orientation is. Mental health professionals such as these can do as much damage as folks practicing reparative therapy.
 
For those of you that were mistreated, misdiagnosed, or who's counseling experience was either poor, or worsened things, I want to apologize for my profession. There are definitely some quacks out there. If anyone ever needs a counselor, shop around, talk to others who have seen someone they like, or talk to your personal physician.
 
CaptainCourtesy said:
Stuff like this pisses me off. No counselor, psychologist, psychiatrist or any mental health professional is qualified to make that determination. Since sexual orientation is NOT a disorder, no one can determine that but you. It's like someone telling you, "Redress, you like cabbage...I don't care WHAT you say...your favorite food is cabbage."

I've worked with many who presented as unsure of their sexual preference. My job is to encourage them to discuss that an explore issues surrounding sexuality in general. NOT to determine what someone's sexual orientation is. Mental health professionals such as these can do as much damage as folks practicing reparative therapy.
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CaptainCourtesy said:
For those of you that were mistreated, misdiagnosed, or who's counseling experience was either poor, or worsened things, I want to apologize for my profession. There are definitely some quacks out there. If anyone ever needs a counselor, shop around, talk to others who have seen someone they like, or talk to your personal physician.
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If I could, I'd thank these two posts a thousand times.
 
Partisan said:
That's like thirty pages back, not 1 or 2....
I don't have time to read it all, but at a quick glance it appears to be some sort of proven genetic mutation, I'll read it later....;)
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Your loss. It was a good post.
 
CaptainCourtesy said:
For those of you that were mistreated, misdiagnosed, or who's counseling experience was either poor, or worsened things, I want to apologize for my profession. There are definitely some quacks out there. If anyone ever needs a counselor, shop around, talk to others who have seen someone they like, or talk to your personal physician.
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I was married to one, didn't have a clue at home.
 
Dav said:
I think you and I are the only people on this thread to neither be gay nor ever think that we were gay.
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Why would you say something like that?
 
CaptainCourtesy said:
Did you know that the vast majority of male prisoners who rape other males are heterosexual?
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I disagree. They are repressed bisexuals who are merely acting upon their latent desires.
 
Situational bisexuality is not reminiscent of repressed desire. They have no other sexual outlet aside from other men. Practically all of those men in prison would jump at the chance to be with a woman if given the choice, even if the male option were more attractive.

If any heterosexual person was put in a situation where the opposite sex was not present, over the long term they would consider sexual pursuits with those in their surroundings.

It's similar to why a lot of gay men in the past couple of generations ended up having wives and families. The social norms were so strong and opportunities for fulfilling same-sex relationships so few, that they forced themselves to pursue heterosexual relations. It's situational bisexuality.
 
Ethereal said:
I disagree. They are repressed bisexuals who are merely acting upon their latent desires.
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Uhhhh. No they just have gone so long without ***** that the crack of Bubba's ass starts to look reeeeal good. You know, when the suds prance down his backside and catch the morning light coming through those barred windows in the shower...mmmmmmmmm...
 
EpicDude86 said:
Uhhhh. No they just have gone so long without ***** that the crack of Bubba's ass starts to look reeeeal good. You know, when the suds prance down his backside and catch the morning light coming through those barred windows in the shower...mmmmmmmmm...
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You are just twisted. :lol:
 
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