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Is it OK to abort a gay baby?

Gay baby

  • Yes

    Votes: 35 45.5%

  • No

    Votes: 42 54.5%
  • Total voters
    77
Why abort gay babies when we can kill the gay children that are mucking up the Child Welfare system?

Why even stop there.

Abort all unwanted babies, abort all unwanted children, and then if there's ammo left (which there will be) we can abort unwanted adults! :D

CLEANSING FTW!!! I guarantee you there will be surpluses in the "welfare" business.
 
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Befuddled_Stoner said:
I love it when people say that homosexuality is unnatural, despite plenty of evidence that it happens in nature all the time. It always makes me think of some Lovecraftian monstrosity from beyond nature exerting it's malign influence on our world...to get penguins to have gaybuttsex.
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Cannibalism happens in nature too, should we change our laws? Animals kill each other all the time, should we stop punishing murder?
 
Befuddled_Stoner said:
I love it when people say that homosexuality is unnatural, despite plenty of evidence that it happens in nature all the time. It always makes me think of some Lovecraftian monstrosity from beyond nature exerting it's malign influence on our world...to get penguins to have gaybuttsex.
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Tab P belongs in Slot V. Just so happens that it fits other places too, but that doesn't mean that it will work like it's supposed to. There are two reason for genitals. Waste removal and reproduction. Homosexuality doesn't really help accomplish either...unless you're into certain fetishes, but now is not the time or the place for that kind of talk...
 
Partisan said:
Yes, I am.....
Hmmm....
I don't recall labeling myself as a 'social conservative'....;)
Oh, & there you go (off topic) again, BTW......:doh
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Well, since you said "Simply put, Liberals see being gay as acceptable behavior, Conservatives do not, regardless of it's 'cause'..."

And only social conservatives hold socially "conservative" points of view, and you have supported said point of view with your words, you don't actually have to apply the label to yourself for ti to be applicable to your views.

So you are basically an odd social conservative who views abortion as OK, homosexuality as wrong. I've got no problems with that, I just like to know what value the system of the person I'm debating with has.

For full disclosure's sake, I'm an anti-federalist. It's neither a liberal nor conservative point of view according to the modern parlance.

My social views are extremely localized to that which affects me directly. That includes issues like abortion, homosexuality, etc. SO when I say I think abortions should be legal, I mean literally in my city/county.
 
OKgrannie said:
Allowing him to do that is a choice, wanting him to do that is not a choice.
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No, the choice lies in what you do with your impulses. Just because you want to do something, neither makes it right, or proper to do it, nor does it magically make it okay to do it.

FOR THE RECORD, I could care less fi you're gay, straight, bi, trans or whatever.

My beef is with the stupidity of the argument that being gay is natural, proper and acceptable and no one has any right to say otherwise.
 
MrVicchio said:
Cannibalism happens in nature too, should we change our laws? Animals kill each other all the time, should we stop punishing murder?
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Whats the vested interest in stopping two chicks from finger banging each other?

And what laws are we talking about changing where the homos are concerned here?
 
MrVicchio said:
Cannibalism happens in nature too, should we change our laws? Animals kill each other all the time, should we stop punishing murder?
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No, but one cannot use the "natural" argument in these situations, either. That's why it's called a natural fallacy.
 
Tucker Case said:
For full disclosure's sake, I'm an anti-federalist. It's neither a liberal nor conservative point of view according to the modern parlance.
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And, an Anti-federalist as the term was used in the late 1790s in contrast with the Federalists, as opposes to a literal anti-federalist.
 
MrVicchio said:
No, the choice lies in what you do with your impulses. Just because you want to do something, neither makes it right, or proper to do it, nor does it magically make it okay to do it.

FOR THE RECORD, I could care less fi you're gay, straight, bi, trans or whatever.

My beef is with the stupidity of the argument that being gay is natural, proper and acceptable and no one has any right to say otherwise.
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And my beef is with the stupidity of the argument that being gay is unnatural, improper and unacceptable and no one has any right to claim that it is natural proper and acceptable. ;)
 
jallman said:
Whats the vested interest in stopping two chicks from finger banging each other?

And what laws are we talking about changing where the homos are concerned here?
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They can finger bang all they want, you don't have to be MARRIED to fingerbang. :lol:

[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uLS_HARAYZQ"]YouTube- South Park- Fingerbang[/ame]
 
EpicDude86 said:
Tab P belongs in Slot V. Just so happens that it fits other places too, but that doesn't mean that it will work like it's supposed to.
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Tab P works just fine in Slot A. It does exactly the same thing it does in Slot V.
 
jallman said:
Tab P works just fine in Slot A. It does exactly the same thing it does in Slot V.
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It makes babies in slot A too???

Edit: well I guess if done in a certain way it might help with...well...'waste removal' from slot A...
 
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MrVicchio said:
No, the choice lies in what you do with your impulses. Just because you want to do something, neither makes it right, or proper to do it, nor does it magically make it okay to do it.
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This is true...as is the opposite.

FOR THE RECORD, I could care less fi you're gay, straight, bi, trans or whatever.
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Good to know.

My beef is with the stupidity of the argument that being gay is natural, proper and acceptable and no one has any right to say otherwise.
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You can say whatever you want. Just realize that the claim that it is not natural is a natural fallacy and illogical. If you want to argue this from the illogical position, be my guest.
 
EpicDude86 said:
It makes babies in slot A too???
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Tab P doesn't make the babies. The sperm and egg make the babies.

By your logic, Tab P put in a condom and then inserted into Slot V isn't working either. But it is.
 
jallman said:
Tab P doesn't make the babies. The sperm and egg make the babies.

By your logic, Tab P put in a condom and then inserted into Slot V isn't working either. But it is.
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I said "Works like it's SUPPOSED to"
 
MrVicchio said:
My beef is with the stupidity of the argument that being gay is natural
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Why is it a stupid argument to suggest that being gay may be natural? There has been actual EVIDENCE put forth in this thread supporting that notion. Do you have any evidence suggesting its unnatural?

proper and acceptable
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Why is it stupid to argue that it is proper and/or acceptable. Proper and Acceptable are social terms and the very nature of how something is viewed is based on arguments made in society that leads society to either view it as proper or acceptable or not.

and no one has any right to say otherwise.
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No, you definitely have the right to say its not proper and its not acceptable.

People also definitely have the right to say your opinion is ignorant, bigoted, or uninformed. This is especially true when you counter scientific arguments with comments on the same level as "NUH UH!" and provide no counter evidence of your own. This is especially true when people make extremely flawed analogies as if its somehow "proof" of their views.

Come now Mr. V, you're a conservative, don't know you know the consitution.

You have the RIGHT to say what you wish.

You don't have the RIGHT to say what you wish without it being ridiculed, have its logic exposed, or have people judge you based on your stances.
 
jallman said:
Also, it's a false analogy entirely because it presupposes that all homosexual activity is confined to anal sex. He completely glosses over the fact that homosexual behavior in women doesn't involve a penis at all.

It was an idiotic attempt at trying to pass off mindless vulgarity as a legitimate argument.
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Not really, I was out to make a point about the difference between a genetic PROOF we have, and a choice people make.

You feel attracted to someone, be it same sex or opposite sex. Who cares WHY for the moment,t he fact is you ACT on that feeling.

That's what seperates man from animals, good from bad.

Who CARES the origin of the impulse?

Really let's boil it all down, so what if you are genetically predisposed to be gay? Does that make it RIGHT?

I say it does not, and further it ULTIMATELY is your CHOICE to act on said impulses.

Humans by nature, are nasty violent creatures prone to harming others, yet we believe that it's a choice to commit murder, and penalize it. Is it no tin our genes to kill? Is it not a natural reaction, when you come home early and find your wife being ****ed by some guy to reach for a weapon and kill him for intruding on your territory?

Yet you go to prison for acting on genetically imprinted behaviors.
 
jallman said:
Is your nose working like its SUPPOSED to when you use it to hold your glasses in place?
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But glasses aren't a "naturally" occurring..er...part of your body. It's a man made device that we have suited to our bodies.
 
I believe its impoper and inappropriate for people to use their left hand. Left handed use is a sign of the devil and is evil, sinful, and a sign of mental retardation and extreme murderous impulses.

I believe our society would restrict what legal recourse people that are left handed can do, society should ostracize them, and we should teach our children its evil to be left handed and they should be ashamed of themselves if they even try to do something left handed.

Sure, maybe its not "unnatural" to be left handed. Maybe they're "born" left handed. But its their CHOICE to actually use the left hand as their main hand. They make that CHOICE. Just because they're born with the urge and physciological predisposition to using their left hand doesn't mean that its RIGHT for them to act on it.

We need to end the Left Handed agenda.
 
EpicDude86 said:
But glasses aren't a "naturally" occurring..er...part of your body. It's a man made device that we have suited to our bodies.
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What does that have to do with anything? It's using the body for something it wasn't "naturally" suited for. You're now trying to move the goal posts.

The body was never meant to travel at 60+ miles an hour by ground. Yet you unnaturally force that situation every day when you get into an automobile.

The body was never meant to fly but you force that situation, unnaturally, every time you get on a plane.

More directly relevant to the topic, a woman was never "meant" to insert a penis into her mouth, but no one really rails against that unnatural occurence.

For that matter, any position for coitus between two heterosexual partners that doesn't lend itself to optimum chance for pregnancy should be considered unnatural.

That appeal to nature fallacy is a fallacy for a reason.
 
I'm gonna let you all in on a personal secret here.

When I was 13 my parents put me in a private boys school for two and a half years. I was raped, molested and forced to do many things against my will. I won't go further then to say it was over an nine month period of sexual debauchery where I was used and abused in ways none of you should ever EVER have to go through. My view of homosexual activity is very much from a "been there done that" point of view. In fact, my parents were told that I was going to be gay for the rest of my life because of the amount of abuse I suffered and the effect it had on me.

I fully understand the physical side of it, I even came to crave the abuse, because it WAS in the end, pleasurable once the beatings and physical abuse stopped and it just became sex. But I realized how wrong it was. I should, by all accounts be a gay male. I am not. I am happily married and have no desire to return to that.

I also think I'm going to regret admitting this on here, but that was 20 years ago in my life, and I'm tired of hiding from it. I'm also sick of people talking about **** they don't know anything about.
 
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