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Is it OK to abort a gay baby?

Gay baby

  • Yes

    Votes: 35 45.5%
  • No

    Votes: 42 54.5%

  • Total voters
    77
Of course many conservatives argue that people abort babies for dumb reasons, then what about this issue?

As long as its legal man, go ahead. The mother has the freedom to abort the baby. Yes it might be a stupid reason for doing it, but that's her/their choice, no one else should have a say.
 
Evolution of the species is no longer dependent on every human being passing their genes.

Okay, you're ignorant of evolution. No problem with that.

The evolution of any species is determined by which genomes survive and which are deleted.

And there is nothing defective about the homosexual's ability to reproduce given that we have artificial insemination.

Please learn how to recognize logical assumptions and try to understand they're role in establishing hypothetical situations.

There's everything defective about any genetic pattern that causes the male of the species to preferentially desire to inject his sperm into the anus of another male, from a reproductive perspective.

Unless they're doing other kinky things, there's no eggs up the other guy's anus. Then again, for some gays I've heard there's gerbils up there, and maybe the occasional Smart Car, too. None of that is relevant as far as I can see. What isn't there is a human ovum.

From a purely logical perspective, there is nothing barring the homosexual from passing on his genes, even if it were a necessity for the evolutionary survival of the species.

You need to learn that evolution is about statistics, not your innate desires.

And considering the bulk of his arguments prior to now, I am sure you can overlook my natural lean toward suspicion of any argument he uses that has the word "defect" or anything like it present.

You mean because I'm accurate in my use of words.
 
I agree. But doesn't mean that he doesn't have a valid point...from an evolutionary viewpoint.

You're viewpoint here and his are not incompatiable.

Sssshhhh.... you know how they are. They simply get excited when people discuss their problems rationally.
 
How wonderful for the child? :shock:

Kids care? :shrug: I was just pointing out that artificial insemination isn't a necessity or a norm.

The worst parents I've ever known were all straight, actually - physical, sexual and mental abuse, neglect, drug use, etc etc - all straight.

But it's not because they're straight that they're horrible.

So the sexuality of a parent doesn't matter, to me, when it comes to the quality of the parenting.
 
How wonderful for the child? :shock:

Yes....because children LOVE the idea that they were created by a man sticking his penis inside a vagina and shooting his semen in to fertilizer the ovum. I'm certain that this is what children dream of.
 
artificial insemination - not a necessity. Sapphic women can still get pregnant the good old fashioned way - and gay men can knock up a Sapphic.

*gasp* the horror :roll:

syringes not required.

Yeah I chose the turkey baster approach. :2wave:
 
Sssshhhh.... you know how they are. They simply get excited when people discuss their problems rationally.

You aren't being rational. And no, our views are not in the least bit compatible as Kal stated. You have a very warped sense of reality and it oozes from every mindless spewing you make on this forum.
 
:doh:doh

Could only have 2 due to stupid image limit rule.

When he gets started out in the very first line being obtuse and rude, I just shut down. I saw no point in reading further as I've seen his little song and dance before.
 
When he gets started out in the very first line being obtuse and rude, I just shut down. I saw no point in reading further as I've seen his little song and dance before.

You read further into his posts than I did.
 
You read further into his posts than I did.

Just to save you the trouble checking back here tomorrow, he will come through, make some more ignorant, irrational and rude remarks then claim for 2 pages that he won the internetz because no one will deal with his bull**** anymore.

The predictability is the best thing about it because you know you don't need to waste time upon reading the very first sentence.
 
Assume for a moment that homosexuality is indeed genetic.
Assume for a moment that an unborn child is known to have that gene
Assume for a moment that the parents do not want to take the chance that their child will be a homosexual

It that sufficient reason to abort the unborn baby?



Someone please add a Yes/No poll

Of course it is. The baby is obviously genetically flawed. /s
 
Moderator's Warning:
I'm sorry, but our good friend Scarecrow will no longer be gracing this thread with his personal attacks and his nasty comments...some of which border in hate speech.

Do try to carry on without him.
 
You aren't being rational. And no, our views are not in the least bit compatible as Kal stated. You have a very warped sense of reality and it oozes from every mindless spewing you make on this forum.

So why not respond to my post?
 
And considering the bulk of his arguments prior to now, I am sure you can overlook my natural lean toward suspicion of any argument he uses that has the word "defect" or anything like it present.

Which is what makes the argument asinine.

If you truly think Homosexuality is a “defect” then it comes with a significant advantage over most other genetic “defects”, the likelihood that it wouldn’t be “passed on”. Blind people still go into relationships that can result in reproduction, as do those who have genetic diseases, and on and on. However, by their nature, homosexuals generally engage in sexual relations that would not pass on their genes and thus not pass on that “defect”.

So in reality, of all the potential “defects”, you’d think Homosexuality would bother him the least because it’d be the least likely to be passed on.

The funny thing is, I don’t necessarily disagree with his GENERAL premise. That genetic homosexuality if it exists (and I believe it exists, though is not the only way one may come to that lifestyle) is likely a “defect” or more to the point simply an abnormality. Essentially a difference contrary to the basic and most standard biological function inbred in animals, mating to pass on genes. That does not necessarily mean the “defect” is a bad thing, or necessarily unnatural. Changes and abnormalities in a population can occur for legitimate reasons. Our world is continually growing, continually having resources gobbled up, with more and more being born. It could be a notion that it is an inherent genetic abnormality in some that is effectively a form of attempted population control by limiting the amount of general reproductive searching individuals into the pool.

I don’t generally state this view because you have people like Scarecrow that take it as a means of attempting to ridicule, insult, debase, and imply the need for “fixing” the issue. In reality, I don’t think it’s a bad thing that its present in the population in a general sense nor something that should attempt to be “fixed” or “cured”. But because some people take a similar view and use it for hate attempts to reasonably discuss the potential notion sadly are rather limited as you quickly get grouped into the same group.

Its actually nice when you can though, as a good conversation on these forums actually shifted my view from believing homosexuality was “unnatural” in a scientific sense (because it goes against the prime purpose of a species in regards to reproduction) to recognizing its found all throughout nature and that it is more likely an abnormality pertaining to certain genetic and evolutionary issues.
 
Which is what makes the argument asinine.

If you truly think Homosexuality is a “defect” then it comes with a significant advantage over most other genetic “defects”, the likelihood that it wouldn’t be “passed on”. Blind people still go into relationships that can result in reproduction, as do those who have genetic diseases, and on and on. However, by their nature, homosexuals generally engage in sexual relations that would not pass on their genes and thus not pass on that “defect”.

So in reality, of all the potential “defects”, you’d think Homosexuality would bother him the least because it’d be the least likely to be passed on.

The funny thing is, I don’t necessarily disagree with his GENERAL premise. That genetic homosexuality if it exists (and I believe it exists, though is not the only way one may come to that lifestyle) is likely a “defect” or more to the point simply an abnormality. Essentially a difference contrary to the basic and most standard biological function inbred in animals, mating to pass on genes. That does not necessarily mean the “defect” is a bad thing, or necessarily unnatural. Changes and abnormalities in a population can occur for legitimate reasons. Our world is continually growing, continually having resources gobbled up, with more and more being born. It could be a notion that it is an inherent genetic abnormality in some that is effectively a form of attempted population control by limiting the amount of general reproductive searching individuals into the pool.

I don’t generally state this view because you have people like Scarecrow that take it as a means of attempting to ridicule, insult, debase, and imply the need for “fixing” the issue. In reality, I don’t think it’s a bad thing that its present in the population in a general sense nor something that should attempt to be “fixed” or “cured”. But because some people take a similar view and use it for hate attempts to reasonably discuss the potential notion sadly are rather limited as you quickly get grouped into the same group.

Its actually nice when you can though, as a good conversation on these forums actually shifted my view from believing homosexuality was “unnatural” in a scientific sense (because it goes against the prime purpose of a species in regards to reproduction) to recognizing its found all throughout nature and that it is more likely an abnormality pertaining to certain genetic and evolutionary issues.

I think that the difference is in recognizing that "anomaly" is not neccessarily a "defect". Also, the whole "evolution" argument just doesn't fly with me for a couple of other reasons. First of all, there's nothing stopping the homosexual from passing on his or her genes. Not with today's modern science even if they find the reproductive act distasteful enough to avoid. Our species isn't having trouble dominating the earth's ecology and populations so breeding really isn't the issue in our survival at this point. The homosexual may not even be a defect at all but rather an emerging third party in human sexuality and ecology. Further, evolution isn't just a genetic propagation of traits. It is also a matter of survivability and success once the genes have been passed on. The homosexual's emerging role in the survival of the species may not even be to pass genes on but to provide added care, monetary support, etc for the children of their siblings and other family members. The rise in homosexuality may just be a mechanism of population control, etc.
 
This topic is silly. People choose to be gay, they are not born gay.
 
This topic is silly. People choose to be gay, they are not born gay.

Something that has frankly yet to be proven conclussively and personally I disagree with.

I think people can be born inclined to be homosexual.

I do think nurture and environment play a roll in things as well though.

Living around an all females college for most of my younger life, and watching it even partially first hand at one point, I've seen women who had never expressed a singular notion at all of any homosexual thought suddenly just "become" bi or gay while at that college. Not "that they've always been that way" or anything of the like. In many cases within 2 or 3 years of graduation, surprises of all surprises, they were back to being a straight heterosexual woman.

Environment can play a roll in it and can even cause it in some ways. I could fully understand say a horrendously beaten and abused women throughout all her life basically having the romantic feelings associated with males turn into a negative, harmful thing, and finding recourse in the care of another woman without the stigma.

That said....

I think its ridiculous to believe its all about an environment. There are guys that grow up in joe macho house, playing sports, playing with GI-Joes, living a "normal" male early and teenage life....and ends up being gay.

How would that be environment? How could you have two people living relatively similar lives and one be gay and one be straight and conclude it MUST be environment?

Environment, nurture, etc may have an affect, to varying levels, but I just don't see how one can honestly conclude that there is not some genetic factors involved.
 
Something that has frankly yet to be proven conclussively and personally I disagree with.

I think people can be born inclined to be homosexual.

I do think nurture and environment play a roll in things as well though.

Living around an all females college for most of my younger life, and watching it even partially first hand at one point, I've seen women who had never expressed a singular notion at all of any homosexual thought suddenly just "become" bi or gay while at that college. Not "that they've always been that way" or anything of the like. In many cases within 2 or 3 years of graduation, surprises of all surprises, they were back to being a straight heterosexual woman.

Environment can play a roll in it and can even cause it in some ways. I could fully understand say a horrendously beaten and abused women throughout all her life basically having the romantic feelings associated with males turn into a negative, harmful thing, and finding recourse in the care of another woman without the stigma.

That said....

I think its ridiculous to believe its all about an environment. There are guys that grow up in joe macho house, playing sports, playing with GI-Joes, living a "normal" male early and teenage life....and ends up being gay.

How would that be environment? How could you have two people living relatively similar lives and one be gay and one be straight and conclude it MUST be environment?

Environment, nurture, etc may have an affect, to varying levels, but I just don't see how one can honestly conclude that there is not some genetic factors involved.

It doesn't even have to be a genetic force that compels the homosexual. We have a sharp increase in endocrine disruptors and other chemical environmental factors that may be some of the source of the rise in homosexuality. Further, if you believe the works of Kinsey, sexuality isn't as concrete, biologically and psychologically, as our society would like to portray it. :shrug:
 
Something that has frankly yet to be proven conclussively and personally I disagree with.

I think people can be born inclined to be homosexual.

I do think nurture and environment play a roll in things as well though.

Living around an all females college for most of my younger life, and watching it even partially first hand at one point, I've seen women who had never expressed a singular notion at all of any homosexual thought suddenly just "become" bi or gay while at that college. Not "that they've always been that way" or anything of the like. In many cases within 2 or 3 years of graduation, surprises of all surprises, they were back to being a straight heterosexual woman.

Environment can play a roll in it and can even cause it in some ways. I could fully understand say a horrendously beaten and abused women throughout all her life basically having the romantic feelings associated with males turn into a negative, harmful thing, and finding recourse in the care of another woman without the stigma.

That said....

I think its ridiculous to believe its all about an environment. There are guys that grow up in joe macho house, playing sports, playing with GI-Joes, living a "normal" male early and teenage life....and ends up being gay.

How would that be environment? How could you have two people living relatively similar lives and one be gay and one be straight and conclude it MUST be environment?

Environment, nurture, etc may have an affect, to varying levels, but I just don't see how one can honestly conclude that there is not some genetic factors involved.

Good lord Zyphlin. You bring up college lesbians and you think guys are going to even notice your point? Once most guys get to that point, they will be thinking about anything but politics...

Edit: well, except for Jallman, but the reason for that should be obvious.
 
Back this assertion up?

The onus is not on me to back it up, the onus is on liberals to back up their foolhardy opinion that somehow homosexuality is congenital.
 
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