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Thread: Is it OK to abort a gay baby?

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    Re: Is it OK to abort a gay baby?

    Quote Originally Posted by Felicity View Post
    So basically you are in the same boat as pro-lifers in that the view is too broad. The difference is that you have a different line that you draw for the when the "right" of life begins.
    Are we actually understanding each other...finally? Ain't the Christmas spirit grand!!!!

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    Re: Is it OK to abort a gay baby?

    Quote Originally Posted by jallman View Post
    Are we actually understanding each other...finally? Ain't the Christmas spirit grand!!!!
    I'm sorry--I edited after you commented...do you think the laws are too broad?

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    Re: Is it OK to abort a gay baby?

    Quote Originally Posted by Felicity View Post
    I'm sorry--I edited after you commented...do you think the laws are too broad?
    Absolutely. There is no reason not to treat the interaction between a mother and a fetus the same as any other (in that her rights end where her baby's begin) once that threshold of development has been crossed. In fact, I see late term abortions as being just as heinous as infanticide or child murder.

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    Re: Is it OK to abort a gay baby?

    Quote Originally Posted by jallman View Post
    Absolutely. There is no reason not to treat the interaction between a mother and a fetus the same as any other (in that her rights end where her baby's begin) once that threshold of development has been crossed. In fact, I see late term abortions as being just as heinous as infanticide or child murder.
    That's wonderful! Yes, Christmas is grand!

    Now what about Jerry's point that if the right to life can be granted by Mom--it's not really an inalienable thing is it. What about the rammifications of that?

    Also--what is the definative point, in your opinion, that can be measured accurately so as not to accidentally usurp any person's rights?

    Lastly--would you vote according to that perception? Making abortion past that point illegal and doctors performing them criminals?

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    Re: Is it OK to abort a gay baby?

    I think abortion should be rare.

    I remembered watching a segment on Fox a while back that lends to the debate so I thought I'd share it... I used to use an argument on abortion debates that if a gay baby would set off a purple light like a mom is notified of a Downs Syndrome baby gays wouldn't support a woman's right to choose.

    Here's the bit:
    Personal Story Segment
    Pro-life & gay rights alliance?
    Guest: Maine State Representative Brian Duprey

    In Maine some gay rights advocates have joined forces with anti-abortion activists. What brought them together is a bill that would prevent women from terminating a pregnancy based on the predicted sexual orientation of the fetus. The bill's sponsor, Brian Duprey, told The Factor, "If they ever do find a gay gene I feel abortions will massively increase because women will not want to give birth to a gay baby. A gay group decided to join forces with me, and I'm happy to have them aboard." The Factor suggested that Duprey's bill is actually an anti-abortion measure disguised as a gay rights initiative. "What you've done is clever. To try to limit abortions in the state of Maine, you've enlisted gay rights groups. You're using them as interference to deflect criticism about abortion."

    BillOReilly.com: The O'Reilly Factor Flash

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    Re: Is it OK to abort a gay baby?

    Quote Originally Posted by jallman View Post
    I aim to please, milady.
    The law technically does give her discretion through the whole pregnancy and that, I cannot agree with. I have posted many times the scientific evidence indicating that the fetus has no awareness, cognition, salience, nor sentience before the 21st week of pregnancy. We can reference those other threads if you like, but I am sure you remember them.

    At such a time as the fetus can show the mental capabilities of a human being (baby), then it is has a definitive right to life like any other human. The mother's wishes are no longer all important because her rights end where the new life's begins. Position internal or external of the womb has NEVER been a consideration of mine on this issue.
    One primary separation of Theist/Deist from Atheist/Humanist is that a Theist/Deist views the brain as the filter of the conscious while the Atheist/Humanist views the brain as the originator of the consciousness.

    Each of these of coarse come from 2 opposed premises.
    The Theist/Deist premise: Everything starts with a Consciousness and moves down into the material; ie "God created..";

    The Atheist/Humanist premise: Everything starts in the material and moves up into conciseness; ie "Evolution".

    Our folly as a people is that we have placed "The Laws of Nature" in opposition to "Nature's God", and this we should not do.

    Both the laws of nature and nature’s God entitle one to a separate and equal station.

    This is true with women’s rights.
    This is true with unborn’s rights.

    To proffer one and forsake the other is foolishness, IMO.

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    Re: Is it OK to abort a gay baby?

    Quote Originally Posted by Goobieman View Post
    Assume for a moment that homosexuality is indeed genetic.
    Assume for a moment that an unborn child is known to have that gene
    Assume for a moment that the parents do not want to take the chance that their child will be a homosexual

    It that sufficient reason to abort the unborn baby?



    Someone please add a Yes/No poll

    Excellent question..........Pro Choice/Abortion people believe that the woman should have the right to abort for any reason......If that is the case then they have to believe its ok to abort a gay baby..........Its her choice.........
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    Re: Is it OK to abort a gay baby?

    Quote Originally Posted by Felicity View Post
    That's wonderful! Yes, Christmas is grand!
    Well merry happy christmahanukwanzika!!! Kidding kidding...I am just elated that finally someone is hearing what I have been saying for the past year or so.

    Now what about Jerry's point that if the right to life can be granted by Mom--it's not really an inalienable thing is it. What about the rammifications of that?
    Well, I think the inalienable right comes in when the fetus can show its personhood despite the mother's intentions. In other words, a human mind (the mother's intentions) are a fickle thing and subject to change, but the science is not.

    Also--what is the definative point, in your opinion, that can be measured accurately so as not to accidentally usurp any person's rights?
    Here's where I sell out the pro-choice camp. The science shows that 21 weeks is when all the components of the CNS are connected and that brainwaves alter considerably, showing signs of sleep and wakefulness, dream and consciousness, true response to stimuli rather than just reflex to noxious stimuli. I do not believe that it is too much to ask that the cut off be 18 weeks, just to add a little space there. Eighteen weeks is plenty of time for a woman to make her intentions solid and it provides a reasonable assurance that there is no chance that "an early bloomer" might have his rights infringed upon.

    Lastly--would you vote according to that perception? Making abortion past that point illegal and doctors performing them criminals?
    Not only would I vote according to that perception but I advocate for others to do the same. I find it offensive in the extreme when I hear pro-choicers talk of fully developed fetuses as nothing until they pass through the uterus and take its first breath. It's just as dishonest to me as calling a 4 celled zygote a baby.

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    Re: Is it OK to abort a gay baby?

    Quote Originally Posted by Navy Pride View Post
    Excellent question..........Pro Choice/Abortion people believe that the woman should have the right to abort for any reason......If that is the case then they have to believe its ok to abort a gay baby..........Its her choice.........
    You know...Navy....I agree with you.

    The choice to terminate a pregnacy is and should always be with the woman carrying the fetus.
    I believe that abortion is generally the wrong choice, but it is not my choice to make.
    I also believe that there are situations where abortion is more justifiable than others, for example, rape, incest, medical issues, severe emotional/psychological/financial hardship.
    I believe that as you often say Navy, a woman shouldn't choose to have an abortion because they are "having a bad hair day". In other words, there are reasons that justify an abortion more than others. Aborting a fetus because you know that when it is born as a child the child will be gay or female or brown eyed, etc.....is more disturbing to me than a woman who makes the decision because she was using birth control and it failed and she cannot afford to raise a child.

    But ultimately.....it is the choice of the person who bears the burden of carrying the child and if they make that decision it is theirs to make regardless if we agree with the reason that they make it.
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    Re: Is it OK to abort a gay baby?

    [QUOTE=disneydude;451567]You know...Navy....I agree with you.

    The choice to terminate a pregnacy is and should always be with the woman carrying the fetus.
    I believe that abortion is generally the wrong choice, but it is not my choice to make.
    I also believe that there are situations where abortion is more justifiable than others, for example, rape, incest, medical issues, severe emotional/psychological/financial hardship.
    I believe that as you often say Navy, a woman shouldn't choose to have an abortion because they are "having a bad hair day". In other words, there are reasons that justify an abortion more than others. Aborting a fetus because you know that when it is born as a child the child will be gay or female or brown eyed, etc.....is more disturbing to me than a woman who makes the decision because she was using birth control and it failed and she cannot afford to raise a child.

    But ultimately.....it is the choice of the person who bears the burden of carrying the child and if they make that decision it is theirs to make regardless if we agree with the reason that they make it.[/QUOTE]


    So you don't have a problem with a woman having and abortion because her baby has a gay gene?
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