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    Re: Is it OK to abort a gay baby?

    Sexual preference?

    Is it really preference or what?


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    Re: Is it OK to abort a gay baby?

    Quote Originally Posted by MrVicchio View Post
    Well, look, it started as rape, then it became molestation, then it became willing partner. There were 7 of them that did this.

    I fought, I suffered, then I gave in. I finally ended it after, hehe of all things, AM Radio. I heard a preacher late one night, and he was talking about "Guud" (His accent was terrible) and it opened my eyes, and my heart.

    I suppose that to explain more would be to personal, but let's just put it this way CC, I've been to counciling over this, I've been told by experts I AM gay, and should just embrace it it's okay. Perhaps that's my source of bias on this... I reject that line of thinking outright.

    I really can't believe I just posted this on here... oye.

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    Any one who told you that you were gay is no expert. NO ONE can tell you what your sexual orientation is, but you. A lot happened to you, MrV. It was trauma. I've discussed this issue with Jerry about how trauma can affect sexual behaviors and perceptions...but NOT sexual orientation.

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    Re: Is it OK to abort a gay baby?

    Mr. V, I'm sorry to hear that happened to you. As someone whose very close to someone that was sexually abused I know the kind of damage, both conscious and subconscious, it can have on someone. Its something no one should have to go through in any capacity.

    That said, while perhaps some of us have varying degree's of knowledge of homosexuality, at least one person on this thread disagreeing with you actually IS gay. I think you'd be hard pressed to state Jall is arguing about stuff he doesn't know about.

    You were abused, and people that are abused react to it in various ways. I knew a person that for years, and still at times now, needed some kind of light on when they slept at times because of a fear that grabbed them in the dark (This was in college mind you), will have a mental breakdown if you happen to make grilled cheese sandwich for them after sex, who believed themselves and their roll in sex to be nothing different than a sex toy, and who would state their desire for somewhat rough sex with their partner being dominant only to break down in hysterical tears over it. These things happened because of the damage that such intense abuse can have on people. I don't think you're going to find many honest people on this forum, even those that think generally homosexuality is genetic, that is going to say that sexual abuse can not have a dramatic and varied effect on people.

    However, your experience...as sad as it is...in no way proves that homosexuality is evil, wrong, or inappropriate any more than the man that abused the person I know proves that heterosexuality is evil, wrong, or inappropriate. It does not prove that homosexuality is completely and singularly a choice, because there are homosexuals that did NOT get abused and are yet part of that life style.

    Myself, my personal view, is that its a bit of both. I think that people are genetically predisposed to it to a point. However a predisposition, or not having one, does not necessarily mean one will or will not be gay. I think it simply makes it more likely to happen. Environmental and social factors, as well as other internal emotional factors, can all play into it. And someone who is absolutely heterosexual could find themselves choosing to be homosexual...just like someone that is left handed could choose to learn to use their right hand primarily, or have trauma to their left hand that essentially forces them to learn to use their right hand. However, the fact that it can be a choice for some doesn't preclude that it may NOT be a choice for others. However, personally, I think it tends to be those that aren't genetically predisposed to it that "become" homosexual for a period of time but generally do not stay in such a way (For example, the girls at the college I spoke of earlier in this thread).

    Again, I'm sorry to hear that happened to you and its upstanding of you to admit that it does influence your views and biases about this. No one, ever, should have to go through such a horrible tragedy.

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    Re: Is it OK to abort a gay baby?

    Quote Originally Posted by CaptainCourtesy View Post
    I am sorry that happened to you...and I would caution ANYONE on this forum using this information to attack MrV...you will earn an enemy in me if you do.
    I echo these sentiments, MrVicchio. Anyone using that as a way to attack you would instantly become an enemy of mine.

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    Re: Is it OK to abort a gay baby?

    Thanks guys, and I appreciate the support. I know that my views are grounded in that of a "victim" and I just... think it's good for me to get it out there.

    I have no animosity towards anyone cause they are gay, I just have a personal view of it, and as you are all well aware, I tend to be vocal about what I believe in
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    Re: Is it OK to abort a gay baby?

    Quote Originally Posted by MrVicchio View Post
    I suppose that to explain more would be to personal, but let's just put it this way CC, I've been to counciling over this, I've been told by experts I AM gay, and should just embrace it it's okay.
    Just to comment on this with my own bit of personal dirt. When I was 7, my mother came to the realization she was gay, and her and my father divorced. I handled this poorly, and ended up in counseling. The psychiatrist was convinced I was gay as well. This led to a lot of confusion for a few years, till I came to the realization that no, really I am not. I know where her confusion came from, but this does not change the fact that just because psychiatrists or psychologists or councilors think something does not make it right. They are human and make mistakes too.
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    Re: Is it OK to abort a gay baby?

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    Just to comment on this with my own bit of personal dirt. When I was 7, my mother came to the realization she was gay, and her and my father divorced. I handled this poorly, and ended up in counseling. The psychiatrist was convinced I was gay as well. This led to a lot of confusion for a few years, till I came to the realization that no, really I am not. I know where her confusion came from, but this does not change the fact that just because psychiatrists or psychologists or councilors think something does not make it right. They are human and make mistakes too.
    Was my counselor the only one that was ever right?

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    Re: Is it OK to abort a gay baby?

    I'm not gay, but I am kinky. Can I get some sort of benefits for being a Dom? We are discriminated against...sometimes...

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    Re: Is it OK to abort a gay baby?

    Quote Originally Posted by jallman View Post
    Was my counselor the only one that was ever right?
    Count your blessings. When counselors screw up, they screw up peoples minds, bad. My adolescence and puberty where somewhat surreal due to this woman's mistakes.
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    Re: Is it OK to abort a gay baby?

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    Just to comment on this with my own bit of personal dirt. When I was 7, my mother came to the realization she was gay, and her and my father divorced. I handled this poorly, and ended up in counseling. The psychiatrist was convinced I was gay as well. This led to a lot of confusion for a few years, till I came to the realization that no, really I am not. I know where her confusion came from, but this does not change the fact that just because psychiatrists or psychologists or councilors think something does not make it right. They are human and make mistakes too.
    They tried to pin a LOT of things on me to explain my emotional mess I was in from GID on down.
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