This is exactly what I'm talking about regarding homosexuality. The people that are most likely to pass on the homosexual's genes are it's siblings. The degrees of relation thing supports my hypothesis (which is pretty much entirely mine. I don't ever recall hearing anyone else espousing that particular line of thought to explain homosexuality, but I'm sure I'm not the only person to do it either).
Humans do something even stranger though. They assocate just as strongly with larger, more widespread groups than any other animal. Our intelligence makes it so that we consider ourselves things like "Patriots". Where we're willing to die for our country.
This taps into the "altruism instinct" that is seen in animals only in closely related groups. For humans, associations can also encompass shared experiences and values associated with nationality, sports team, anything. There is a certain camaraderie from shared values that is not present in other animals because their level of cognitive complexity is so much less than ours.
Logging Sets Off an Apparent Chimp War - The New York Times
They've also been observed to engage in rudimentary politics to gain favor and power in teh group.
Last edited by Tucker Case; 12-02-09 at 04:42 PM.
Genes don't really get 'bred out' of a population, anyway. They can undergo mutations and base pair changes, of course, but they don't just up and disappear. The particular oligonucleotides coding in a particular gene either get translated into proteins, or they don't. Think of it like a room with many different light switches. Turn on a certain switch, the room turns green. Turn on another, the room turns blue. In the blue-light room, the possibility of turning on a green light is there, but it isn't expressed because the blue light switch is on.
Last edited by Singularity; 12-02-09 at 04:56 PM.
Sarah Hrdy does talk alot about apes(it is her specialty) and has some fascinating stories about them. her first field work was with some apes where the males would commit infanticide, and she talks alot about the societies apes build. She does some great writing if you have not read her books.
In any event, I haven't seen anything except specious social science that argues the idiocy of being born with homosexuality.
This "making the choice" of straightness is silly. I can choose to lead a homosexual lifestyle -- as many do. The reason why I don't is because it is disgusting, repulsive, unnatural, and frankly, the height of moral degeneracy. Straightness is natural -- so I didn't choose to be straight. Homosexuality is unnatural, therefore one has to rebel against nature (by active choice) to lead that lifestyle. It's really not that hard.
Now, you made a claim, which is that homosexuality is a choice. You got called on it, asking for a source for your claims. Wanna man up and do so?