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    Re: Is it OK to abort a gay baby?

    Quote Originally Posted by Ethereal View Post
    The whole point of evolution is to perpetuate the species. Pockets of homosexuality are not a detriment to the perpetuation of the human species, in fact, some can argue that it is beneficial.
    Evolution does not have a point. It is something that happens. Evolution does not set out to make more fit plants and animals, that is just the result. Further, if I understand things correctly, selection happens on the individual level, not on a species. Dawkins talks about perpetuating genes, not species as an example.
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    Re: Is it OK to abort a gay baby?

    Quote Originally Posted by Tucker Case View Post
    Exactly. Evolution is about a species, not the individual members of the species. Homosexuality may have been a socially beneficial adaptation back in the hunter/gatherer times that kept other members of the tribe from being eaten by lions and ****.
    Maybe it also helped keep population down.

    But, no one has ever been able to explain this to me...
    If people with blue eyes reporduced at the same rate as homosexuality, how long before the blue-eye gene died out, and why doesn that exttinction then apply to homosexuality?

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    Re: Is it OK to abort a gay baby?

    Quote Originally Posted by Goobieman View Post
    Maybe it also helped keep population down.

    But, no one has ever been able to explain this to me...
    If people with blue eyes reporduced at the same rate as homosexuality, how long before the blue-eye gene died out, and why doesn that exttinction then apply to homosexuality?
    It wouldn't die out even if every blued eyed person who is ever born is prevented from procreating.

    The genes that dictate blue eyes are recessive, so it is often dormant within the brown-eyed populations.

    For example, my father has blue eyes. I have brown eyes. I know I carry the genes necessary to have a blue eyed child becuae that is all I could receive from my father.

    The same is true for my wife.

    If we assume there are only two genes involved with this trait (there are more, but for the illustation,m we'll just go with a mendellian genotype comparison)

    B = brown eyed gene, b = blue eyed gene, both my wife and I have the genotype of Bb.

    We a phenotypically brown-eyed, though, because B is dominant.

    So when we have children, we each will either pass on a B or a b.

    Out of four children ,the genotypes possible are BB, Bb, bB, and bb.

    Of these four combination, three will be phenotypically brown eyed: BB, Bb, and bB.

    One will have blue eyes: bb.

    So while our children have a 75% chance of having brown eyes, they actually have a 75% chance of carrying the gene for blue eyes.

    50% of our children would have the chance to be brown eyed with the blue eyed gene so that they don't display the blue eyed trait, but carry on the genes.

    If I was breedig with a woman who was genotypically BB, teh results would be:

    BB, Bb, BB, and BB


    In that case, all children would have brown eyes, there is only a 25% chance that each one would carry the blue eyed gene.

    If I was breeding with a woman who was bb the results would be:

    bB, bb, bB, bb.

    All children would carry the blue-eyed gene, and there would be a 50/50 chance for either eye color.
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    Re: Is it OK to abort a gay baby?

    Quote Originally Posted by Tucker Case View Post
    It wouldn't die out even if every blued eyed person who is ever born is prevented from procreating.

    The genes that dictate blue eyes are recessive, so it is often dormant within the brown-eyed populations.
    I'm sorry -- I asked the wrong question.

    If people with the blue-eye gene reporduced at the same rate as homosexuality, how long before the blue-eye gene died out, and why doesn't that extinction then apply to homosexuality?

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    Re: Is it OK to abort a gay baby?

    Quote Originally Posted by Goobieman View Post
    I'm sorry -- I asked the wrong question.

    If people with the blue-eye gene reporduced at the same rate as homosexuality, how long before the blue-eye gene died out, and why doesn't that extinction then apply to homosexuality?
    I think he answered that question already. A recessive gene can be passed on despite the gene not being expressed. I guess if homosexuality were a recessive gene, you could theoretically have generations go by with no homosexual being born at all and still have the gene present in the population.

    Statistically that would be damned near impossible but you get my point.

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    Re: Is it OK to abort a gay baby?

    Quote Originally Posted by Goobieman View Post
    I'm sorry -- I asked the wrong question.

    If people with the blue-eye gene reporduced at the same rate as homosexuality, how long before the blue-eye gene died out, and why doesn't that extinction then apply to homosexuality?
    You mean if the heteros that carried the hypothetical gay gene dormantly also didn't reproduce?

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    Re: Is it OK to abort a gay baby?

    Quote Originally Posted by jallman View Post
    I think he answered that question already. A recessive gene can be passed on despite the gene not being expressed.
    Yes, but it depends on the gene being reproduced. The lower rate at which this happens, the less time the gene will remain in the pool.

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    Re: Is it OK to abort a gay baby?

    Quote Originally Posted by Tucker Case View Post
    You mean if the heteros that carried the hypothetical gay gene dormantly also didn't reproduce?
    No -- if people with the [x] gene, regarldess of orientation, reprodoced at the same rate as homosexual reproduce.

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    Re: Is it OK to abort a gay baby?

    Quote Originally Posted by Goobieman View Post
    No -- if people with the [x] gene, regarldess of orientation, reprodoced at the same rate as homosexual reproduce.
    Oh well clearly that would be an issue. Homosexuals reproduce at a lower rate for more reasons that the homosexual behavior. I imagine if the whole population reproduced at the same rate as homosexuals, there would be some shift in the social model that would lead to the population practicing different customs for reproduction.

    You would probably first see a degradation in the practice of monogamy.

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    Re: Is it OK to abort a gay baby?

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    Utterly disgusting is the initial and immediate response.
    Of course no baby should be aborted...........
    no baby(still in the womb) could possibly be proven to be homosexual with todays "technology".
    Now, should a "baby" who is unfortuniate enough to be a jumbled mess of twins plus be aborted.
    yes
    A fetus without eyes?
    yes

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