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    Re: Is it OK to abort a gay baby?

    1069 said, "I, however, will counter with unbiased and empirical evidence that there is no link between abortion and cancer (including a statement to that effect issued by the American Cancer Society), that the risk of serious side effects resulting from abortion is negligible, that abortion is twelve times safer than childbirth, and that
    Post-Abortion Syndrome does not exist (and is not recognized as a legitimate disorder by the American Psychiatric Association, the American Psychological Association, or any other mainstream authority)."


    Where is your source for the information you gave a few posts ago?

    MoonDragon's Obgyn Information - Abortion - Post Abortion Syndrome (PAS)

    Printer Friendly: House Holds Hearing On Post-Abortion Stress

    Women Need More Mental Health Treatment After Abortion, New Study Finds

    Abortion Increases Risk of Mental Illness

    Abortion Can Lead to Child Abuse, Has Increased Since Legalization



    From PlannedParenthoods website........


    Health Risks of Abortion


    First-trimester abortion is much safer for women than giving birth. But there are risks associated with any medical procedure. Your overall health may affect you risks of complications.

    Medication Abortion
    Possible risks include
    • incomplete abortion — the embryo and other products of conception are not entirely expelled from the uterus
    • allergic reaction
    • infection
    • very heavy bleeding
    • undetected ectopic pregnancy, which can be fatal if left untreated
    • in extremely rare cases death is possible from very serious complications — the risk of death from medication abortion — about one out of 100,000 — is
      • about the same as it is from miscarriage — about one out of 100,000
      • higher than it is from early vacuum aspiration abortion — about one out of one million
      • lower than it is from carrying a pregnancy to term — about 10 out of 100,000

    Vacuum Aspiration and D&E
    The risks associated with vacuum aspiration and D&E increase the longer you are pregnant and if sedation or general anesthesia is used. Possible risks include
    • incomplete abortion — the embryo or fetus and other products of conception are not entirely removed from the uterus
    • allergic reaction
    • infection
    • very heavy bleeding
    • undetected ectopic pregnancy, which can be fatal if left untreated
    • blood clots in the uterus
    • injury to the cervix
    • organ injury
    • in extremely rare cases death is possible from very serious complications. In general, the risk of death from abortion increases the longer a woman has been pregnant. Overall, the risk of death from childbirth is 11 times greater than the risk of death from abortion up to 20 weeks of pregnancy. After 20 weeks, the risk of death from abortion is about the same as the risk of death from childbirth.
    Af course they dismiss any medical data that show that there are increased risks of infertility with multiple abortions and breast cancer. They should they are only there to make money. They let woman know that and they lose money.

    They even claim the unborn child can't feel any pain throughout the entire pregnancy.

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    Re: Is it OK to abort a gay baby?

    There is reason to question the American Cancer Society's motivations.
    Well, in that case, I suppose you find the American College of Obstetricians and Gynecology "questionable" as well, and that you will proceed to find the motives of any legitimate and reputable authority suspect.
    I'm sure you're aware that the American Cancer Society and the American College of Obstetricians and Gynecology are two of the leading national authorities on women's health, and that any unbiased observer would find your claim preposterous.
    I don't suppose, then, that there's much point posting more evidence; all of my sources are legitimate, mainstream medical sources, and as such, I guess you distrust them all.


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    Re: Is it OK to abort a gay baby?

    Quote Originally Posted by 1069 View Post
    Well, in that case, I suppose you find the American College of Obstetricians and Gynecology "questionable" as well, and that you will proceed to find the motives of any legitimate and reputable authority suspect.
    I'm sure you're aware that the American Cancer Society and the American College of Obstetricians and Gynecology are two of the leading national authorities on women's health, and that any unbiased observer would find your claim preposterous.
    I don't suppose, then, that there's much point posting more evidence; all of my sources are legitimate, mainstream medical sources, and as such, I guess you distrust them all.

    Induced abortion as an independent risk factor for breast cancer: a comprehensive review and meta-analysis -- Brind et al. 50 (5): 481 -- Journal of Epidemiology and Community Health


    Cancer Spectrum: Daling et al., pp. 1584-1592.

    Cancer Spectrum: Medline Abstract

    Case-Control Differences in the Reliability of Reporting a History of Induced Abortion -- Tang et al. 151 (12): 1139 -- American Journal of Epidemiology


    Cancer Spectrum: Rookus et al., pp. 1759-1764.


    and related to the above article—the correspondence below...

    Cancer Spectrum: Brind et al., pp. 588-590.

    (for the above correspondence you must click on the automatic download and the letter is on pg. 588 beginning in the middle column)

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    Re: Is it OK to abort a gay baby?

    I don't believe an abortion causes breast cancer. I do believe that delaying child birth and/or having no children greatly increases your risk of breast cancer along with other cancers. That's probably one of the reasons there is so much back and forth on this issue. There probably are many women who've had an abortion and also have breast cancer but the "abortion" didn't make the cancer more likely so much as the "not having kids or delaying childbirth till an older age" did.

    In any event I do think abortions can be done safely and shouldn't generally be considered dangerous though I do think the important protective health benefits of child bearing are not stressed to women the way they should be. I also think women put themselves at higher risk by delaying the age when they first give birth and that as well is not stressed as a "risk factor" though it well should be.

    The only risk I would associate with abortion is the mental health one and the recent New Zealand study has not been addressed by the APA so much as it has been ignored.

    But just as I think "abortion" is generally safe and not "directly detrimental" to a woman's health I would argue the very same thing about pregnancy.

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    Re: Is it OK to abort a gay baby?

    Quote Originally Posted by talloulou View Post
    I don't believe an abortion causes breast cancer.
    I don't think anyone says there's a direct causal relationship. It is an increased risk factor.

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    Re: Is it OK to abort a gay baby?

    Quote Originally Posted by Navy Pride View Post
    What part of the word hypothetical do you not understand?
    I thought I answered the question. what are you talking about?

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    Re: Is it OK to abort a gay baby?

    It's really this simple.

    It doesnt matter if the baby is white, black, green, gay, straight, deformed, perfect, Christ, the anti-Christ. In the end. It's the womans choice.
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    Re: Is it OK to abort a gay baby?

    Quote Originally Posted by Navy Pride View Post
    I have said this before but it is worth repeating........I think unnecessary abortions (abortions where the mothers life is not endangered) are the most barbaric act one human being can perform on another and the people that have these abortions and the butcher abortion doctors that perform them will someday have to answer to their maker for those barbaric acts.....

    May God bless the innocent unborn in the womb...........
    Strangle enough I agree with you. I wouldn't express it quite that way, but I agree.

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    Re: Is it OK to abort a gay baby?

    Quote Originally Posted by Felicity View Post
    Hope you're feeling better soon...and before you post, check over the agenda laced slant of the information so you do not appear as biased and misinformed as the misguded revisionist 1069.
    Thank you Felicity and doughgirl for your concern. I'm doing better, though I realized that in my haste, I closed my browser without bookmarking my research. Oh well...

    I had a nice long post started. And as I continued to research I found so much contradictory and interesting information that it became almost impossible to sift through it and make a somewhat coherant post. What I have discovered is this:

    Abortion has existed since about 500 BC.

    The Catholic Church has never allowed abortion, per se, but has identified it to be not homocide at certain times in history.

    The 'personhood' debate has been going on for more than 1500 years, and has been the key component of this debate, even in the church.

    Much information is 'spun' by both sides, so in order to get a clear picture of what is real, I must seek out primary sources; since these are often translated from Greek or Latin, they are tedious to go through.

    This stuff makes my head swim. But, since my function in an aboriton debate is really about learning, it's interesting seeing things from both sides. Once I compile my research, I'll try to compose it into a readable post. For now...sleep.
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    Re: Is it OK to abort a gay baby?

    This is actually a fascinating poll. I said yes. To me, no matter what the reason is--if someone chooses to NOT go through with a pregnancy, that is that person's preogorative. This is what pro-choice is all about.

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