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Thread: Is it OK to abort a gay baby?

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    Re: Is it OK to abort a gay baby?

    Quote Originally Posted by CoffeeSaint View Post
    For criminy's sake, it was a joke, not an insult. Have a nice day.
    Ah...so it's conceding the point...oookey....thanks.

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    Re: Is it OK to abort a gay baby?

    This is for you, 1069:

    Lets play a game.

    It's called "find the errors".

    I won't spell check, grammer check nor proof read.

    Quote Originally Posted by CoffeeSaint View Post
    Okay, we'll try this again.
    You do not have the right to force your wife to bear a child.
    Legaly? I know that that right is not SCOTUS established, which would be why I'm arguing for it, duh.

    The child is not a person before it is born....
    I have already cast the "personhood" issue aside, so this is irrelivent.

    You can force her to behave in certain ways as long as it has an impact on your children,

    There yah go, that's it, abortion has a rather negative impact on my child, so per your argument I should be allowed to force her to behave in a sertin way....ie, bring the child to term.

    BUT she has an out: she can relinquish custody of those children to you.
    The bond between mother and child is not severed with a mere stroke of the pen.

    It is not her fault that removing the child from her body kills it.

    Heh, yes it is.

    She always has the right to give up her interest in your children, and if she chooses not to do that, then you have rights concerning them. But you cannot force her to keep custody of those children -- which means you cannot force her to bear a pregnancy to term.
    You mean "She always has the right to give up her interest in {her} children....".

    We call that "abandonment", which is a form of abuse.

    You endorce women abusing their children by abandoning them.

    Also, I don't think that a parent can just up and relinquish right on a whim. I don't have case law or policy on it one way or the other, but that seems very counter intuitive to a "compelling state intrist".

    And that's the point:
    Well there you go, she does not have a right to not allow my choices to affect hers. What ever I do will affect her. What ever she does will afect me.

    No, I mean keep you from infringing on her rights. We already went over this.
    You are profering the woman. What heppened to equality?

    Of course I can't, because she can't do it. That was the point.
    Your analogy is thus falacious and unfounded.

    And if it comes to a vote, I'll cast mine for her right to abort your child.
    By your own logic you have no right to force your view on me, so by voting you become a hypocrit.

    But not the controller of her body.

    Being the controler of her body is not an established requierment to have "a fundimental Liberty intrist in the care, controle and managment" of my children, so your argument is moot.

    But she doesn't have to do that if she doesn't want to.
    That's the problem.

    No! You do NOT have the right to force another to dio what you want them to do; that is not a right you have, and so it is not something you can claim was taken away from you illegally. Get it straight.
    You want me to stand down and be disabled from protecting my children from being attacked by their mother, all against my will. By casting your vote you are forcing your view on me, which by your oun logic you have no right to do.

    So, speaking of choice, you have the choice between being logicly consistant and not voting or acting in a hypocritical way by forcing your view on me.

    Thanks for the insight. I vote.
    You just labled yourself a hypocrite, then.

    Let me know when you understand that you don't have the right to force another to act against his or her will. You only have that privilege if the other person allows it.
    That's a prity general statment.
    So, by your logic, I have no right to force someone to stop assulting me.....without their consent, that is.

    When you can bear the child to term, you'll have a leg to stand on in such a debate. After the child is born, of course you have the right to control it; did I ever say you didn't?
    I have 2 legs to stand on, Roe and Troxel.

    If my wife can dismiss my fundimental rights on a whim, then given gender equality and the 14th., it logicly followes that I can dismiss her fundimental rights on a whim as well.

    Of course we're not. They have the power to vote against us. If they lose the vote, they have the ability to change the laws. Or they can leave the country. By staying here, they are allowing themselves to be controlled -- which means they are not being controlled against their will.
    Pro-Choice has already eliminated that argument.

    Just as those exact words carry no water in the eyes of PC who acuse me of forcing them to do this or that when I vote in favor of anti-abortion legislation, neither do those words carry water here when used to defend abortion.

    Let's make sure we're still talking about abortion here, please. If you want to move on to society's ability and/or right to compel obedience, that would be a different argument.
    Of coase we're still talking about abortion...I'm just doing my damndist to avoide the "personhood" issue....it's proving to be almost as dificult as finding unbiased reserch on homeschooling.

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    Re: Is it OK to abort a gay baby?

    Quote Originally Posted by Caine View Post
    C'mon Ya'll Give it up.... you've been going in circles for the last 100 posts!
    I'll have you know that I'm going in a octagon, Caption: a brake-line, Felicity in a hyper-cube, and Coffee in a downward spiral.

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    Re: Is it OK to abort a gay baby?

    Quote Originally Posted by CoffeeSaint View Post

    It is not her fault that removing the child from her body kills it.
    What an outrageous cop out that is. Whose freaking fault is it?

    If it's her god damn choice than it's her god damn fault.

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    Re: Is it OK to abort a gay baby?

    Quote Originally Posted by talloulou View Post
    What an outrageous cop out that is. Whose freaking fault it is it?

    If it's her god damn choice than it's her god damn fault.
    Dude. No, it is not.
    Have some eggnog and chill the @#$% out.

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    Re: Is it OK to abort a gay baby?

    Quote Originally Posted by 1069 View Post
    Dude. No, it is not.
    Have some eggnog and chill the @#$% out.
    If you're gonna demand choice than at the very least have the fortitude to own the decision.

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    Re: Is it OK to abort a gay baby?

    Quote Originally Posted by talloulou View Post
    If you're gonna demand choice than at the very least have the fortitude to own the decision.
    I have no idea what you're babbling about.
    If women could just "choose" to become pregnant, then men would be unnecessary (not to mention fertility treatments, adoption, IVF, etc).
    If women could simply "choose" not to be pregnant, then both contraception and abortion would be unnecessary, and the entire debate would be moot, n'est-ce pas?
    Let's just try to stick to the topic at hand, without flying off on weird angry tangents.

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    Re: Is it OK to abort a gay baby?

    Just curious...is it too late to abort Goobieman for posing this question?

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    Re: Is it OK to abort a gay baby?

    Quote Originally Posted by 1069 View Post
    I have no idea what you're babbling about.
    If women could just "choose" to become pregnant, then men would be unnecessary (not to mention fertility treatments, adoption, IVF, etc).
    If women could simply "choose" not to be pregnant, then both contraception and abortion would be unnecessary, and the entire debate would be moot, n'est-ce pas?
    Let's just try to stick to the topic at hand, without flying off on weird angry tangents.
    Women have total control in opening themselves up to the risk of pregnancy, except in cases of rape where pregnancy is rare anyway.

    That said, women have absolute control in whether or not they are going to pay someone to kill their offspring!!!!! Whether they are gonna have the human in their womb killed because it is gay, or cause it's a girl, or cause it's inconvenient it is absolutely a choice and one that they have 100% control over and so they are 100% responsible for the decision and the action.

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    Re: Is it OK to abort a gay baby?

    Quote Originally Posted by Hoot View Post
    Just curious...is it too late to abort Goobieman for posing this question?
    The question is meant as a trap and yet it has merit anyway. Women have abused the right to abortion. Abortion is being used against females in coutries throughout the world. Females are aborted in higher numbers than males. I'm sure if there were a gene found for homosexuality than homosexuals would be aborted more than heterosexuals. Notice how it is not nearly as common as it use to be to see a person with down syndrome?

    Eugenics is a big part of abortion. Margaret Sanger, the founder of planned parenthood, was a eugenicist. The question is completely valid. The answer to the question is yes. But a better question might be "Should it be okay?"

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