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Is it OK to abort a gay baby?

Gay baby

  • Yes

    Votes: 35 45.5%

  • No

    Votes: 42 54.5%
  • Total voters
    77
1069 said:
It is extracting the bodily resources of another person, to the detriment of their health.
It will continue to do so, with or without the consent of the person whose body it is occupying, even if it causes the person to die.
It's not about whether the fetus has done anything "wrong";
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Ok... and...?

If the person whose body the fetus is occupying does not want it to continue extracting her bodily resources, she has the right to disconnect it from her body and leave the vicinity.
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Same can then be said for a mother and her newborn. Right?
I mean, doesnt a newborn extract the bodily resources of another person, to the detriment of their health?
 
1069 said:
It is extracting the bodily resources of another person, to the detriment of her health.
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Pregnancy is not always or even usually "detrimental" in fact it's quite the opposite.

It will continue to do so, with or without her consent, even if it causes her to die.
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Rarely occurs and even most prolifers are willing to make exceptions when there is a genuine risk to the mother's health.

If the person whose body the fetus is occupying does not want it to continue extracting her bodily resources, she has the right to disconnect it from her body and leave the vicinity.
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Currently.
 
Goobieman said:
Same can then be said for a mother and her newborn. Right?
I mean, doesnt a newborn extract the bodily resources of another person, to the detriment of their health?
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Breast feeding like giving birth has positive effects on a woman's health. All this "detrimental" crap is just more hysterical bullshite.
 
talloulou said:
Pregnancy is not always or even usually "detrimental" in fact it's quite the opposite.

Rarely occurs and even most prolifers are willing to make exceptions when there is a genuine risk to the mother's health.

Currently.
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Hopefully with the help of the new SCOTUS we can rectify that.......
 
shuamort said:
No, I mean "so what?" Folks have motivations to do plenty of things. I see no reason nor need to delineate the rationale.
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Personally I like to surround myself with honorable people as much as possible.
 
talloulou said:
Personally I like to surround myself with honorable people as much as possible.
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Ditto, but I see no reason to deny folks of their rights and wacky beliefs and predilections due to my peccadillos.
 
Pregnancy is not always or even usually "detrimental" in fact it's quite the opposite.
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Normal, frequent or expectable temporary side effects of pregnancy:

* exhaustion (weariness common from first weeks)
* altered appetite and senses of taste and smell
* nausea and vomiting (50% of women, first trimester)
* heartburn and indigestion
* constipation
* weight gain
* dizziness and light-headedness
* bloating, swelling, fluid retention
* hemmorhoids
* abdominal cramps
* yeast infections
* congested, bloody nose
* acne and mild skin disorders
* skin discoloration (chloasma, face and abdomen)
* mild to severe backache and strain
* increased headaches
* difficulty sleeping, and discomfort while sleeping
* increased urination and incontinence
* bleeding gums
* pica
* breast pain and discharge
* swelling of joints, leg cramps, joint pain
* difficulty sitting, standing in later pregnancy
* inability to take regular medications
* shortness of breath
* higher blood pressure
* hair loss
* tendency to anemia
* curtailment of ability to participate in some sports and activities
* infection including from serious and potentially fatal disease
(pregnant women are immune suppressed compared with non-pregnant women, and
are more susceptible to fungal and certain other diseases)
* extreme pain on delivery
* hormonal mood changes, including normal post-partum depression
* continued post-partum exhaustion and recovery period (exacerbated if a c-section -- major surgery -- is required, sometimes taking up to a full year to fully recover)

Normal, expectable, or frequent PERMANENT side effects of pregnancy:

* stretch marks (worse in younger women)
* loose skin
* permanent weight gain or redistribution
* abdominal and vaginal muscle weakness
* pelvic floor disorder (occurring in as many as 35% of middle-aged former child-bearers and 50% of elderly former child-bearers, associated with urinary and rectal incontinence, discomfort and reduced quality of life)
* changes to breasts
* varicose veins
* scarring from episiotomy or c-section
* other permanent aesthetic changes to the body (all of these are downplayed by women, because the culture values youth and beauty)
* increased proclivity for hemmorhoids
* loss of dental and bone calcium (cavities and osteoporosis)

Occasional complications and side effects:

* hyperemesis gravidarum
* temporary and permanent injury to back
* severe scarring requiring later surgery (especially after additional pregnancies)
* dropped (prolapsed) uterus (especially after additional pregnancies, and other pelvic floor weaknesses -- 11% of women, including cystocele, rectocele, and enterocele)
* pre-eclampsia (edema and hypertension, the most common complication of pregnancy, associated with eclampsia, and affecting 7 - 10% of pregnancies)
* eclampsia (convulsions, coma during pregnancy or labor, high risk of death)
* gestational diabetes
* placenta previa
* anemia (which can be life-threatening)
* thrombocytopenic purpura
* severe cramping
* embolism (blood clots)
* medical disability requiring full bed rest (frequently ordered during part of many pregnancies varying from days to months for health of either mother or baby)
* diastasis recti, also torn abdominal muscles
* mitral valve stenosis (most common cardiac complication)
* serious infection and disease (e.g. increased risk of tuberculosis)
* hormonal imbalance
* ectopic pregnancy (risk of death)
* broken bones (ribcage, "tail bone")
* hemorrhage and
* numerous other complications of delivery
* refractory gastroesophageal reflux disease
* aggravation of pre-pregnancy diseases and conditions (e.g. epilepsy is present in .5% of pregnant women, and the pregnancy alters drug metabolism and treatment prospects all the while it increases the number and frequency of seizures)
* severe post-partum depression and psychosis
* research now indicates a possible link between ovarian cancer and female fertility treatments, including "egg harvesting" from infertile women and donors
* research also now indicates correlations between lower breast cancer survival rates and proximity in time to onset of cancer of last pregnancy
* research also indicates a correlation between having six or more pregnancies and a risk of coronary and cardiovascular disease

Less common (but serious) complications:

* peripartum cardiomyopathy
* cardiopulmonary arrest
* magnesium toxicity
* severe hypoxemia/acidosis
* massive embolism
* increased intracranial pressure, brainstem infarction
* molar pregnancy, gestational trophoblastic disease (like a pregnancy-induced cancer)
* malignant arrhythmia
* circulatory collapse
* placental abruption
* obstetric fistula

More permanent side effects:

* future infertility
* permanent disability
* death.


Fully 25% of all pregnant women experience gestational diabetes, toxemia, or preeclampsia, all of which carry the risk of permanent damage to organs, and all of which carry a risk of maternal mortality.
In the United States alone, a total of 525 pregnancy-related deaths occurred in 1999 (the latest year for which data were available).
Between 1991 to 1999, 4,200 deaths in the US were found to be pregnancy-related.
During the study period, about 12 pregnancy-related deaths occurred for every 100,000 live births.

Prove otherwise.
 
Goobieman said, “They get around this by arguing that it isn't a person.
Unquestionably, it kills an innocent human life - the subjective and inconsistient "personhood" argument is their way to get past that.

Must be nice for the killers to be to able decide who can and can't be killed.

In any case, the "personhood" of the unborn baby is irrelevant as the issue revolves around what might happen after the baby is born.”
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You are so right Goobieman. They know it has personhood. But to admit that it does and then turn around and say its still ok to kill it would make them sound and appear even worse than they already do.


Why do you think PP offers post abortion counseling? Woman today are learning about fetal development, they know what abortion does, and so does every pro-choicer. Yet sadly it does not seem to matter. :(


1069 said, “Well then, I guess you're the "chicken" you accuse me of being.
Perhaps Jesus will give you extra credit for averting your eyes.”
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Why I never though about watching and I can’t believe you did. No, I take that back……I do believe you wanted to watch.

Watch or not watch, I killed the child that I carried, that I was responsible for. And the unbelievable thing is 1069, you won't understand it but and you‘ll love this one, will give you more to bash Christians over…….Jesus forgave me. Now you can really let me have it. :rofl


“America has refused to elect those who would "rather enslave women" for any amount of time. America has rejected both the idea that slavery is okay, and the proponents of that idea.’
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America is sliding fast down that LEFTWING slippery slope. You guys keep waxing that slope. Thanks to liberals killing is legal today. We don’t protect children thanks to you……you offer a quick fix solution; abortion………. a quick, cheap, legal and convenient death.


The LEFT has set into motion trends that break down natural inhibitions against depersonalizing people...no sensitivity for life whatsoever. And our sensibility to the value of life erodes even more by our legal and institutional commitment to death. Thank you LIBERALS. The LEFT champions abortion, infanticide and euthanasia. Its no wonder because of this that we have begun the process of redefining categories of people as “things.” Don’t use personhood to describe the unborn, don’t use baby, they are THINGS. And as you can see the pro-choicers "word of the day" is irrrelevant. They are irrelevant, they don't matter, they have no personhood.

It's difficult to see how anyone can fail to understand how a culture can justify and defend the barbaric act of abortion on living human unborn children.

And it seems those, and I mean doctors here, who are charged with protecting and preserving life are now engaged with the LEFT in assaulting and taking it.

The logic of abortion is devastating as is the pro-choice position.


“Forced gestation and childbirth is barbaric.”
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What it is, is giving life, not killing it. If you don’t want to kill……..don’t get pregnant……don’t have sex.



“No, the question has nothing to do with what the unborn baby may become. The question is, does the presence of a gay gene merit abortion, and so what matters is the genetic information that is present before the baby is born, not the future behavior of that baby. She aborts it in the hypothetical because of the gene, not because of its adult behavior, real or imagined.”
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Well that doesn’t matter to pro-choicers, what the baby might become. And they would say that it was ok to abort a gay baby if the mother wanted to. Because to the pro-choicer, abortion is ok no matter what the reason the mother gives. If the baby is the wrong sex, race, abortion might be the answer. If the baby might be handicapped, abortion would solve the problem. If the mother doesn’t have money, doesn’t want to stop school……or just simply doesn’t want the baby, its ok to abort. So this question should be easy for those on the pro-choice side.


“As I said, she has the right to be stupid, as long as she is being stupid with her own body. The basis of her right to abort is the fact that the unborn child has no right to take over her body; the reasons why she refuses to sacrifice herself for the child are irrelevant.’
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How would she be stupid?

The baby for your information is not part of her own body. So she not only messes around with hers but another human beings body, her unborn child.

Death for you is irrelevant doesn’t matter, not an issue.


“I am not a killer. I do not decide who lives or dies, because I do not dictate to a woman whether she should abort her fetus or not; the decision isn't up to me. I've never killed anything bigger than a mouse.”
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Not yet but if you had to vote on this issue should it be put to the people, and you voted for abortion, you would be responsible. Then your vote would matter. It would be a vote against every unborn in a womb whose mother wanted to kill.

“Actually, the personhood of the fetus is irrelevant because, as 1069 has pointed out many times, no person has the right to take over another person's body for his or her own benefit.”
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The child didn’t all of a sudden get there by itself did it? What had to happen for the child to get there? I think some sex act had to happen.

I think the woman took the chance to create life by merely having sex whether she wanted to get pregnant or not.

Or isnt that how the LEFT has babies?
 
The child didn’t all of a sudden get there by itself did it? What had to happen for the child to get there? I think some sex act had to happen.

I think the woman took the chance to create life by merely having sex whether she wanted to get pregnant or not.
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Ah, here we are; it took us awhile to get to the crux of the pro-life argument this time.
Women who have sex (or get raped) deserve to lose their human rights.
Okay, well... to avoid redundancy, here's my response to that:

link
 
1069 said:
During the study period, about 12 pregnancy-related deaths occurred for every 100,000 live births.

Prove otherwise.
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And for every 100,000 live births, 199,988--people came out of the process NOT dead.:roll:
 
1069 said:
During the study period, about 12 pregnancy-related deaths occurred for every 100,000 live births.

Prove otherwise.
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Felicity said:
And for every 100,000 live births, 199,988--people came out of the process NOT dead.:roll:
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Felicity's argument is stronger than 1069's by a factor of 16,665.66666........
 
Normal, frequent or expectable temporary side effects of pregnancy:

* exhaustion (weariness common from first weeks)
* altered appetite and senses of taste and smell
* nausea and vomiting (50% of women, first trimester)
* heartburn and indigestion
* constipation
* weight gain
* dizziness and light-headedness
* bloating, swelling, fluid retention
* hemmorhoids
* abdominal cramps
* yeast infections
* congested, bloody nose
* acne and mild skin disorders
* skin discoloration (chloasma, face and abdomen)
* mild to severe backache and strain
* increased headaches
* difficulty sleeping, and discomfort while sleeping
* increased urination and incontinence
* bleeding gums
* pica
* breast pain and discharge
* swelling of joints, leg cramps, joint pain
* difficulty sitting, standing in later pregnancy
* inability to take regular medications
* shortness of breath
* higher blood pressure
* hair loss
* tendency to anemia
* curtailment of ability to participate in some sports and activities
* infection including from serious and potentially fatal disease
(pregnant women are immune suppressed compared with non-pregnant women, and
are more susceptible to fungal and certain other diseases)
* extreme pain on delivery
* hormonal mood changes, including normal post-partum depression
* continued post-partum exhaustion and recovery period (exacerbated if a c-section -- major surgery -- is required, sometimes taking up to a full year to fully recover)

Normal, expectable, or frequent PERMANENT side effects of pregnancy:

* stretch marks (worse in younger women)
* loose skin
* permanent weight gain or redistribution
* abdominal and vaginal muscle weakness
* pelvic floor disorder (occurring in as many as 35% of middle-aged former child-bearers and 50% of elderly former child-bearers, associated with urinary and rectal incontinence, discomfort and reduced quality of life)
* changes to breasts
* varicose veins
* scarring from episiotomy or c-section
* other permanent aesthetic changes to the body (all of these are downplayed by women, because the culture values youth and beauty)
* increased proclivity for hemmorhoids
* loss of dental and bone calcium (cavities and osteoporosis)

Occasional complications and side effects:

* hyperemesis gravidarum
* temporary and permanent injury to back
* severe scarring requiring later surgery (especially after additional pregnancies)
* dropped (prolapsed) uterus (especially after additional pregnancies, and other pelvic floor weaknesses -- 11% of women, including cystocele, rectocele, and enterocele)
* pre-eclampsia (edema and hypertension, the most common complication of pregnancy, associated with eclampsia, and affecting 7 - 10% of pregnancies)
* eclampsia (convulsions, coma during pregnancy or labor, high risk of death)
* gestational diabetes
* placenta previa
* anemia (which can be life-threatening)
* thrombocytopenic purpura
* severe cramping
* embolism (blood clots)
* medical disability requiring full bed rest (frequently ordered during part of many pregnancies varying from days to months for health of either mother or baby)
* diastasis recti, also torn abdominal muscles
* mitral valve stenosis (most common cardiac complication)
* serious infection and disease (e.g. increased risk of tuberculosis)
* hormonal imbalance
* ectopic pregnancy (risk of death)
* broken bones (ribcage, "tail bone")
* hemorrhage and
* numerous other complications of delivery
* refractory gastroesophageal reflux disease
* aggravation of pre-pregnancy diseases and conditions (e.g. epilepsy is present in .5% of pregnant women, and the pregnancy alters drug metabolism and treatment prospects all the while it increases the number and frequency of seizures)
* severe post-partum depression and psychosis
* research now indicates a possible link between ovarian cancer and female fertility treatments, including "egg harvesting" from infertile women and donors
* research also now indicates correlations between lower breast cancer survival rates and proximity in time to onset of cancer of last pregnancy
* research also indicates a correlation between having six or more pregnancies and a risk of coronary and cardiovascular disease

Less common (but serious) complications:

* peripartum cardiomyopathy
* cardiopulmonary arrest
* magnesium toxicity
* severe hypoxemia/acidosis
* massive embolism
* increased intracranial pressure, brainstem infarction
* molar pregnancy, gestational trophoblastic disease (like a pregnancy-induced cancer)
* malignant arrhythmia
* circulatory collapse
* placental abruption
* obstetric fistula

More permanent side effects:

* future infertility
* permanent disability
* death.
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Fully 25% of all pregnant women experience gestational diabetes, toxemia, or preeclampsia, all of which carry the risk of permanent damage to organs, and all of which carry a risk of maternal mortality.
In the United States alone, a total of 525 pregnancy-related deaths occurred in 1999 (the latest year for which data were available).
Between 1991 to 1999, 4,200 deaths in the US were found to be pregnancy-related.
During the study period, about 12 pregnancy-related deaths occurred for every 100,000 live births.
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I hardly had any of these.

Should people never take prescrition drugs? The pharmacist gives you a sheet of paper with a list of all the complications you could get from taking the medicine. How many of these happen?

Most pregnancies are easy and I don't think that most woman get many of these that you listed.

Should I post of list of negative things regarding abortion.......and the post partum things woman get after having an abortion. Increases of cancer etc?

525 deaths are unfortunate but in regard to the numbers of woman who don't die and carry the child to term, I think it's probably low.
And how many of these deaths have to do with other diseases they might already have had.

Did you have a source for this information or did you memorize the data? :rofl
 
If you weigh all the normal side effects of a healthy pregnancy against all the protective benefits of child bearing it's hard to sell the argument that pregnancy is detrimental.

Breast cancer:

Women who have had no children or who had their first child after age 30 have a slightly higher breast cancer risk. Having multiple pregnancies and becoming pregnant at an early age reduces breast cancer risk.
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ACS :: What Are the Risk Factors for Breast Cancer?

Lung Cancer

Women's reproductive behavior (having children or not) may increase their risk of lung cancer later in life, a study at the Harvard School of Public Health has found. The researchers found that women who had any children (one or more) had nearly 40 percent less risk of lung cancer as compared to women without children. That risk of lung cancer also declined in a linear fashion with increasing numbers of children born.
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Exercise, Aspirin Consumption, and Childbirth May Alter Cancer Risk

Ovarian cancer

Women who have never had children are more likely to develop ovarian cancer than those who have had children.
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Cancer Research and Prevention Foundation: Healthy Living - Ovarian Cancer

Bone health

Women who didn't have children have a 44 percent greater risk of hip fractures
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Center for Health Research - News

So I'm not buying the whole pregnancy is "detrimental to a womens health." In a healthy pregnancy the opposite is in fact true.
 
Should I post of list of negative things regarding abortion.......and the post partum things woman get after having an abortion. Increases of cancer etc?
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If you feel you can prove these things, be my guest.
I, however, will counter with unbiased and empirical evidence that there is no link between abortion and cancer (including a statement to that effect issued by the American Cancer Society), that the risk of serious side effects resulting from abortion is negligible, that abortion is twelve times safer than childbirth, and that
Post-Abortion Syndrome does not exist (and is not recognized as a legitimate disorder by the American Psychiatric Association, the American Psychological Association, or any other mainstream authority).
 
If you weigh all the normal side effects of a healthy pregnancy against all the protective benefits of child bearing it's hard to sell the argument that pregnancy is detrimental.

Breast cancer:

Women who have had no children or who had their first child after age 30 have a slightly higher breast cancer risk. Having multiple pregnancies and becoming pregnant at an early age reduces breast cancer risk.
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ACS :: What Are the Risk Factors for Breast Cancer?

Lung Cancer

Women's reproductive behavior (having children or not) may increase their risk of lung cancer later in life, a study at the Harvard School of Public Health has found. The researchers found that women who had any children (one or more) had nearly 40 percent less risk of lung cancer as compared to women without children. That risk of lung cancer also declined in a linear fashion with increasing numbers of children born.
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Exercise, Aspirin Consumption, and Childbirth May Alter Cancer Risk

Ovarian cancer

Women who have never had children are more likely to develop ovarian cancer than those who have had children.
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Cancer Research and Prevention Foundation: Healthy Living - Ovarian Cancer

Bone health

Women who didn't have children have a 44 percent greater risk of hip fractures
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Center for Health Research - News

So I'm not buying the whole pregnancy is "detrimental to a womens health." In a healthy pregnancy the opposite is in fact true.
 
1069 said:
If you feel you can prove these things, be my guest.
I, however, will counter with unbiased and empirical evidence that there is no link between abortion and cancer (including a statement to that effect issued by the American Cancer Society), that the risk of serious side effects resulting from abortion is negligible, that abortion is twelve times safer than childbirth, and that
Post-Abortion Syndrome does not exist (and is not recognized as a legitimate disorder by the American Psychiatric Association, the American Psychological Association, or any other mainstream authority).
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Been there, done that with your hero ...whaz-hiz-name...bring it on.
 
Felicity said:
Been there, done that with your hero ...whaz-hiz-name...bring it on.
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Well, I'll discredit the abortion/cancer link real quick, and then I really must get ready to go to the movies.
I'll be back later tonight and address the rest.


"Can Having an Abortion Cause or Contribute to Breast Cancer?

Both abortion and breast cancer are topics that can bring out strong emotions in people. The issue of abortion generates passionate personal and political viewpoints, regardless of a possible disease connection. Breast cancer is the most common cancer in women, and it can be a life-threatening disease that most women fear.

Linking these 2 topics understandably generates a great deal of emotion, as well as controversy. Research studies, however, have not found a cause-and-effect relationship between abortion and breast cancer. ...

In February 2003, the US National Cancer Institute (NCI) convened a workshop of over 100 of the world’s leading experts who study pregnancy and breast cancer risk. The experts reviewed existing human and animal studies on the relationship between pregnancy and breast cancer risk, including studies of induced and spontaneous abortions. Among their conclusions were:

* Breast cancer risk is temporarily increased after a term pregnancy (resulting in the birth of a living child).

* Induced abortion is not associated with an increase in breast cancer risk.

* Recognized spontaneous abortion is not associated with an increase in breast cancer risk.

The level of scientific evidence for these conclusions was considered to be "well established" (the highest level).

The American College of Obstetricians and Gynecologists (ACOG) Committee on Gynecologic Practice reviewed the available evidence as well and published its findings in August 2003. The committee concluded that "early studies of the relationship between prior induced abortion and breast cancer risk have been inconsistent and are difficult to interpret because of methodologic considerations. More rigorous recent studies argue against a causal relationship between induced abortion and a subsequent increase in breast cancer risk."

Conclusion

The topic of abortion and breast cancer highlights many of the most challenging aspects of studies of human populations and how those studies do or do not translate into public health guidelines. The issue of abortion generates passionate viewpoints among many people. Breast cancer is the most common cancer, and is the second leading cancer killer, in women. Still, the public is not well-served by false alarms, even when both the exposure and the disease are of great importance and interest to us all. At the present time, the scientific evidence does not support a causal association between induced abortion and breast cancer.

References

ACOG Committee on Gynecologic Practice. ACOG Committee Opinion. Number 285, August 2003: Induced abortion and breast cancer risk. Obstet Gynecol. 2003;102:433-435.

Beral V, Bull D, Doll R, et al. Collaborative Group on Hormonal Factors in Breast Cancer. Breast cancer and abortion: Collaborative reanalysis of data from 53 epidemiological studies, including 83,000 women with breast cancer from 16 countries. Lancet. 2004;363:1007-1016.

Melbye M, Wohlfahrt J, Olsen JH, et al. Induced abortion and the risk of breast cancer. N Engl J Med. 1997;336:81-5.

National Cancer Institute. Summary Report: Early Reproductive Events and Breast Cancer Workshop. Accessed August 23, 2005.

Revised: 09/18/2006 "

American Cancer Society

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ACOG Finds No Link Between Abortion and Breast Cancer Risk


Washington, DC -- There is no evidence supporting a causal link between induced abortion and subsequent development of breast cancer, according to a committee opinion issued today by The American College of Obstetricians and Gynecologists (ACOG). ACOG's opinion is in agreement with the conclusion reached at the National Cancer Institute's Early Reproductive Events and Breast Cancer Workshop, which met in March 2003.

ACOG's review of the research on a link between abortion and later development of breast cancer concluded that studies on the issue were inconsistent and difficult to interpret, mainly due to study design flaws. Some studies showed either a significant decrease in breast cancer risk after abortion or found no effect. The most recent studies from China, the United Kingdom, and the US found no effect of induced abortion on breast cancer risk.

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The American College of Obstetricians and Gynecologists is the national medical organization representing over 45,000 members who provide health care for women.


The American College of Obstetricians and Gynecologists
 
1069 said, "I, however, will counter with unbiased and empirical evidence that there is no link between abortion and cancer (including a statement to that effect issued by the American Cancer Society), that the risk of serious side effects resulting from abortion is negligible, that abortion is twelve times safer than childbirth, and that
Post-Abortion Syndrome does not exist (and is not recognized as a legitimate disorder by the American Psychiatric Association, the American Psychological Association, or any other mainstream authority)."
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:rofl

Where is your source for the information you gave a few posts ago?

MoonDragon's Obgyn Information - Abortion - Post Abortion Syndrome (PAS)

Printer Friendly: House Holds Hearing On Post-Abortion Stress

Women Need More Mental Health Treatment After Abortion, New Study Finds

Abortion Increases Risk of Mental Illness

Abortion Can Lead to Child Abuse, Has Increased Since Legalization



From PlannedParenthoods website........


Health Risks of Abortion


First-trimester abortion is much safer for women than giving birth. But there are risks associated with any medical procedure. Your overall health may affect you risks of complications.

Medication Abortion
Possible risks include
  • incomplete abortion — the embryo and other products of conception are not entirely expelled from the uterus
  • allergic reaction
  • infection
  • very heavy bleeding
  • undetected ectopic pregnancy, which can be fatal if left untreated
  • in extremely rare cases death is possible from very serious complications — the risk of death from medication abortion — about one out of 100,000 — is
    • about the same as it is from miscarriage — about one out of 100,000
    • higher than it is from early vacuum aspiration abortion — about one out of one million
    • lower than it is from carrying a pregnancy to term — about 10 out of 100,000
Vacuum Aspiration and D&E
The risks associated with vacuum aspiration and D&E increase the longer you are pregnant and if sedation or general anesthesia is used. Possible risks include
  • incomplete abortion — the embryo or fetus and other products of conception are not entirely removed from the uterus
  • allergic reaction
  • infection
  • very heavy bleeding
  • undetected ectopic pregnancy, which can be fatal if left untreated
  • blood clots in the uterus
  • injury to the cervix
  • organ injury
  • in extremely rare cases death is possible from very serious complications. In general, the risk of death from abortion increases the longer a woman has been pregnant. Overall, the risk of death from childbirth is 11 times greater than the risk of death from abortion up to 20 weeks of pregnancy. After 20 weeks, the risk of death from abortion is about the same as the risk of death from childbirth.
Af course they dismiss any medical data that show that there are increased risks of infertility with multiple abortions and breast cancer. They should they are only there to make money. They let woman know that and they lose money.

They even claim the unborn child can't feel any pain throughout the entire pregnancy. :rofl
 
There is reason to question the American Cancer Society's motivations.
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Well, in that case, I suppose you find the American College of Obstetricians and Gynecology "questionable" as well, and that you will proceed to find the motives of any legitimate and reputable authority suspect.
I'm sure you're aware that the American Cancer Society and the American College of Obstetricians and Gynecology are two of the leading national authorities on women's health, and that any unbiased observer would find your claim preposterous.
I don't suppose, then, that there's much point posting more evidence; all of my sources are legitimate, mainstream medical sources, and as such, I guess you distrust them all.

:roll:
 
1069 said:
Well, in that case, I suppose you find the American College of Obstetricians and Gynecology "questionable" as well, and that you will proceed to find the motives of any legitimate and reputable authority suspect.
I'm sure you're aware that the American Cancer Society and the American College of Obstetricians and Gynecology are two of the leading national authorities on women's health, and that any unbiased observer would find your claim preposterous.
I don't suppose, then, that there's much point posting more evidence; all of my sources are legitimate, mainstream medical sources, and as such, I guess you distrust them all.

:roll:
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Induced abortion as an independent risk factor for breast cancer: a comprehensive review and meta-analysis -- Brind et al. 50 (5): 481 -- Journal of Epidemiology and Community Health


Cancer Spectrum: Daling et al., pp. 1584-1592.

Cancer Spectrum: Medline Abstract

Case-Control Differences in the Reliability of Reporting a History of Induced Abortion -- Tang et al. 151 (12): 1139 -- American Journal of Epidemiology


Cancer Spectrum: Rookus et al., pp. 1759-1764.


and related to the above article—the correspondence below...

Cancer Spectrum: Brind et al., pp. 588-590.

(for the above correspondence you must click on the automatic download and the letter is on pg. 588 beginning in the middle column)
 
I don't believe an abortion causes breast cancer. I do believe that delaying child birth and/or having no children greatly increases your risk of breast cancer along with other cancers. That's probably one of the reasons there is so much back and forth on this issue. There probably are many women who've had an abortion and also have breast cancer but the "abortion" didn't make the cancer more likely so much as the "not having kids or delaying childbirth till an older age" did.

In any event I do think abortions can be done safely and shouldn't generally be considered dangerous though I do think the important protective health benefits of child bearing are not stressed to women the way they should be. I also think women put themselves at higher risk by delaying the age when they first give birth and that as well is not stressed as a "risk factor" though it well should be.

The only risk I would associate with abortion is the mental health one and the recent New Zealand study has not been addressed by the APA so much as it has been ignored.

But just as I think "abortion" is generally safe and not "directly detrimental" to a woman's health I would argue the very same thing about pregnancy.
 
talloulou said:
I don't believe an abortion causes breast cancer.
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I don't think anyone says there's a direct causal relationship. It is an increased risk factor.
 
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