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Thread: Is it OK to abort a gay baby?

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    Re: Is it OK to abort a gay baby?

    Quote Originally Posted by Goobieman View Post
    Talk about leaps in scenarios.

    Firt, you demand that "all women" be held liable, and then you note that the woman is nominally at fault only "in some cases"

    If its only in "some cases", then why the requirement that "all women" be held liable?
    How is this a leap? You are declaring abortion is murder, well this is a form of abortion.

    Obviously that would be concluded in the trial. All women would be tried for third-degree murder to see if it was indeed their own bodies that killed the child, hence themselves unintentionally murdering a human being by your stance.

    I used the word "some" because I would think there are instances where it was not the mother's body that denied the child, so she would be seen not guilty. I could be wrong though.

    It would be hypocritical for Pro-life individuals to call "murder" under the specific situation of first degree but not under second and third degree. You don't get to pick and choose murder just to meet your political position.
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    Re: Is it OK to abort a gay baby?

    Quote Originally Posted by Gibberish View Post
    How is this a leap? You are declaring abortion is murder, well this is a form of abortion.
    I've said no such thing.

    The leap in yur argument is obvious -- that because some women might cause a miscarrige though neglect, all women that have a miscarriage should be charged with manslaughter.
    How does that make any sense?

    Obviously that would be concluded in the trial. All women would be tried for third-degree murder to see if it was indeed their own bodies that killed the child, hence themselves unintentionally murdering a human being by your stance.
    Ah. A chance to prove themselves innocent. Excellent idea.

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    Re: Is it OK to abort a gay baby?

    Quote Originally Posted by Goobieman View Post
    I've said no such thing.
    Oh so you do not think abortion is murder? My mistake. I would say most other Pro-life individuals disagree with you.

    Quote Originally Posted by Goobieman
    The leap in yur argument is obvious -- that because some women might cause a miscarrige though neglect, all women that have a miscarriage should be charged with manslaughter.
    How does that make any sense?
    I said they should be charged, not convicted.
    Quote Originally Posted by Goobieman
    Ah. A chance to prove themselves innocent. Excellent idea.
    That is why we have a court system.
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    Re: Is it OK to abort a gay baby?

    Quote Originally Posted by CoffeeSaint View Post
    If she sneezes and thinks that means the baby is bad luck, she should have the right to abort it.
    Now there's a gem.

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    Re: Is it OK to abort a gay baby?

    Quote Originally Posted by Gibberish View Post
    I said they should be charged, not convicted.
    That is why we have a court system.
    We have a court system so people can proive their innocence?

    Dont you think, under your scenario, that the situation would be investigated -before- charges were filed, rather than taking someone to court first and determining the facts second?

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    Re: Is it OK to abort a gay baby?

    Quote Originally Posted by Goobieman View Post
    We have a court system so people can proive their innocence?

    Dont you think, under your scenario, that the situation would be investigated -before- charges were filed, rather than taking someone to court first and determining the facts second?
    Yes, but investigations just show that there is evidence of wrongdoing; one has to prove one's innocence in court. Of course, if the investigation shows no evidence of wrongdoing, then innocence is assumed and does not need to be proved, but I think Gibberish's point is that women who could be shown to have partaken in "risky" behavior would need to prove their innocence in the miscarriage of their children, because if they were found to be responsible, they would be murderers. If the unborn were persons with protection under the law, that is.

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    Re: Is it OK to abort a gay baby?

    Quote Originally Posted by Gibberish View Post
    I'm assuming all your Pro-life individuals are also going to push for third-degree murder charges for all women who experience a miscarriage. Since in some cases the death of the child is the result of the woman's body herself failing to care for the child in life sustaining fashion.
    Why does PC keep suggesting that a misarrange would be a crime?
    I thought PC was all about logic, yet this repeated insinuation/question/accusation/assumption defies that premise.

    So-called "third degree murder" is actually called "Manslaughter", and if you would care to assert that Miscarriage=Murder/Manslaughter and get your azz stomped you can join the carcasses on this killing field:

    http://www.debatepolitics.com/aborti...slaughter.html
    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    Mansloughter is not a biological function.
    Miscarage is not a crime.

    The 2 can not be compaired.
    Quote Originally Posted by saggyjones View Post
    Legal Definition of Involuntary Manslaughter

    So miscarriage cannot be classified as involuntary manslaughter, I was wrong.
    Quote Originally Posted by Rev. View Post
    If a miscarriage is murder, then a heart attack is suicide.
    Quote Originally Posted by tecoyah View Post
    Miscarriage is a natural function of the Human Body, reacting to a failed pregancy (or creating one). It has no similarity to a manslaughter charge , if only because no "accidental" action has taken place by the mother,thus she is not in control nor responsible for the result.
    Quote Originally Posted by jallman View Post
    On topic, miscarriage is not comparable to voluntary abortion. That's just plain silly.

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    Re: Is it OK to abort a gay baby?

    Quote Originally Posted by Goobieman View Post
    We have a court system so people can proive their innocence?

    Dont you think, under your scenario, that the situation would be investigated -before- charges were filed, rather than taking someone to court first and determining the facts second?
    How the woman is found innocent or guilty is irrelevant, the fact that an investigation is to occur is the point.

    So you are agreeing that an investigation should occur and that if it is found that the woman's body itself rejected the baby or failed to keep the baby alive that the woman should then be brought to trial to face third-degree murder charges?
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    Re: Is it OK to abort a gay baby?

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    Why does PC keep suggesting that a misarrange would be a crime?
    I thought PC was all about logic, yet this repeated insinuation/question/accusation/assumption defies that premise.

    So-called "third degree murder" is actually called "Manslaughter", and if you would care to assert that Miscarriage=Murder/Manslaughter and get your azz stomped you can join the carcasses on this killing field:

    http://www.debatepolitics.com/aborti...slaughter.html
    Hey, Jer? Please stop busting out this string of quotes. Two or three of them are totally irrelevant to the conversation, and they actually don't prove you right. A miscarriage that could be proven to have been caused by negligent action on the part of the mother -- and we could quite easily define what negligent actions would be considered relevant -- could indeed be seen as equivalent to manslaughter, IF the fetus were seen as a person with protection under our laws. If, for instance, a woman rode horses while pregnant and suffered a miscarriage afterwards, she might be seen as criminally responsible for the death of a person.

    And if you'd like me to bring this to your "killing field," I'd be happy to.

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    Re: Is it OK to abort a gay baby?

    Quote Originally Posted by CoffeeSaint View Post
    Yes, but investigations just show that there is evidence of wrongdoing
    No, investigations collect evidence to see if there may have been wrongdoing, and if so, who did it -- and then the local prosecutor or a grand jury determines if the evidence is enough to warrant a trial.

    one has to prove one's innocence in court.
    Not in the United states.

    but I think Gibberish's point is that women who could be shown to have partaken in "risky" behavior would need to prove their innocence in the miscarriage of their children,
    Again, not in here US.
    The state must prove that they are guilty.

    If the unborn were persons with protection under the law, that is.
    Often, they are.
    There are many isntances where a pregnant mother is killed and her killer is charged for the beath of the baby.

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