View Poll Results: Should criminal records of adults be erased after their sentence has been served?

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  • Yes upon release for all offenders

    3 5.26%
  • Yes upon release for non-violent offenders and never for violent offenders

    7 12.28%
  • Yes upon releases for non-violent offenders and a certain amount of time for violent offenses.

    2 3.51%
  • Yes after 1-5 years

    1 1.75%
  • Yes after 6-10 years

    3 5.26%
  • Yes after 11-15 years

    0 0%
  • Yes after 16-20 years

    0 0%
  • Yes after 21-30 years

    0 0%
  • Yes but time of record deletion should depend on offense.

    17 29.82%
  • Criminal records should never be erased.

    24 42.11%
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    Re: Should criminal records of adults be erased after their sentence has been served?

    Quote Originally Posted by Fisher View Post
    Oh please. The reason a great many things are criminalized is because regulatory pressures like fines were not working. This is nothing more than code for "I should be able to buy pot at the 7-11".
    Like I said, you haven't done any reading on overcriminalization. I wasn't talking about drugs, as evidenced by the fact that I didn't even mention them in passing.
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    Re: Should criminal records of adults be erased after their sentence has been served?

    Quote Originally Posted by Cardinal View Post
    I disagree. If someone has disregarded the rights of another vis-a-vis their body or their property, they've broken a trust.
    That's why we have prison and parole and probation. In a society of law, which I believe ours purports to be, we're supposed to leave punishment to the authorities.

    Quote Originally Posted by Cardinal View Post
    I never claimed it would raise my odds of hiring a completely trustworthy person to 100%, only that the odds would be fair. Making an informed decision doesn't require omniscience.
    The problem is that all too often we look at criminal records as if they were a red-letter sign that someone is unemployable. Too few consider the possibility that someone could turn over a new leaf after a conviction or simply avoid conviction.
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    Re: Should criminal records of adults be erased after their sentence has been served?

    Quote Originally Posted by TacticalEvilDan View Post
    Like I said, you haven't done any reading on overcriminalization. I wasn't talking about drugs, as evidenced by the fact that I didn't even mention them in passing.
    I don't need to "do any reading" on the subject. It is nothing but a movement by the conservative corporate puppets hiding behing the Heritage Foundation to do away with criminal penalties for business folks who do not like that they cannot drag out the regulatory process for 20 years before they have to just pay some slap on the wrist fine for dumping toxic chemicals into rivers and crap. Now they can be held accountable much sooner by going to prison for their torts. As for criminalizing feeding the bears in Yellowstone, society will survive.

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    Re: Should criminal records of adults be erased after their sentence has been served?

    Quote Originally Posted by TacticalEvilDan View Post
    That's why we have prison and parole and probation. In a society of law, which I believe ours purports to be, we're supposed to leave punishment to the authorities.



    The problem is that all too often we look at criminal records as if they were a red-letter sign that someone is unemployable. Too few consider the possibility that someone could turn over a new leaf after a conviction or simply avoid conviction.
    Your way guarantees that an ex-con has a completely fresh start in every field every time, which in principle is fine, but the extent of that would prevent me from making an informed decision which would help me keep potential risks from my life or business. We're just going to have to agree to disagree, as your position doesn't help me in in any concrete way, and in fact only helps to undermine me.

    Your position is not well balanced.

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    Re: Should criminal records of adults be erased after their sentence has been served?

    Quote Originally Posted by TacticalEvilDan View Post
    But I thought an alarm company wouldn't want to hire a burglar or a thief. Will you make up your mind?
    Hmmm, there's more than one position, more than one job in virtually any company. I could see hiring someone with a master thief background to tell you how it's done and to advise in preventing fture theft. But hiring a former serial bank robber to guard the money is probably off the table.

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    Re: Should criminal records of adults be erased after their sentence has been served?

    Quote Originally Posted by clownboy View Post
    Hmmm, there's more than one position, more than one job in virtually any company. I could see hiring someone with a master thief background to tell you how it's done and to advise in preventing fture theft. But hiring a former serial bank robber to guard the money is probably off the table.
    There are too many shows and movies to count where ex-thieves have been hired to test (or even head) a company's security. I wonder how that sort of thing pans out in real life, or how they get around the fact that, you know, they've hired ex-thieves to supervise their security.

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    Re: Should criminal records of adults be erased after their sentence has been served?

    I can agree conditionally to this concept to a certain degree within the current system, perhaps with the most minor offenses. However, I would personally prefer to see an across the board de criminalization of non-violent crimes. By this I mean that instead of property crimes and non-violent traffic crimes receiving jail time you enhance the duration of punishment but instead require community service (a conviction that might call for 30 days in jail would be converted to 60 days of community service). Multiple offenses could further increase the duration of service, and perhaps a "three strikes" type rule be imposed on repeat offenders. This would reduce the burden on the prison system and with prisons primarily being filled with malicious criminals there will be less demand for "prisoners rights" and we can cut costly amenities that the law-abiding poor cant even afford for themselves. And we'd get low cost labor to help the community in basic beautification and maintenance projects.

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    Re: Should criminal records of adults be erased after their sentence has been served?

    Absolutely not, just like a credit history your criminal past indicates your future behavior

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    Re: Should criminal records of adults be erased after their sentence has been served?

    Quote Originally Posted by Cardinal View Post
    There are too many shows and movies to count where ex-thieves have been hired to test (or even head) a company's security. I wonder how that sort of thing pans out in real life, or how they get around the fact that, you know, they've hired ex-thieves to supervise their security.
    It doesn't is the plain answer. They may hire ex-thieves as consultants when evaluating their security, but as head of security, or giving them knowledge of the new design - no.

    However, on the hackers thing, there's a range of thought on the issue. Symantec used to hire old virus/trojan writers to help them write the code for detection of new viruses/trojans in the wild. McAfee would not. That's why, during those years McAfee yanked goats and symantec was more effective (at actual detection).

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    Re: Should criminal records of adults be erased after their sentence has been served?

    Quote Originally Posted by Cephus View Post
    I don't think the records should ever be scrubbed. That said though, I think that once someone is out of prison and has gotten through a probationary period, they shouldn't have to report felony convictions to employers and they should get back all the rights they lost while in prison. That doesn't mean that if they get picked up for another crime, a complete history of their criminal convictions shouldn't be available to the courts or that it shouldn't be taken into account for future convictions.
    I think making criminal records only available to the courts would be a good compromise.They don't have thier employment prospects hurt and if they commit another crime it will reflect their sentencing.
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