View Poll Results: Should criminal records of adults be erased after their sentence has been served?

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  • Yes upon release for all offenders

    3 5.26%
  • Yes upon release for non-violent offenders and never for violent offenders

    7 12.28%
  • Yes upon releases for non-violent offenders and a certain amount of time for violent offenses.

    2 3.51%
  • Yes after 1-5 years

    1 1.75%
  • Yes after 6-10 years

    3 5.26%
  • Yes after 11-15 years

    0 0%
  • Yes after 16-20 years

    0 0%
  • Yes after 21-30 years

    0 0%
  • Yes but time of record deletion should depend on offense.

    17 29.82%
  • Criminal records should never be erased.

    24 42.11%
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    Re: Should criminal records of adults be erased after their sentence has been served?

    Quote Originally Posted by Fisher View Post
    I know that "overcriminalization" has put food on my table
    Goodie for you. I've read about and met people whose lives were all but destroyed by overcriminalization. I'm far less interested in your paycheck than I am in wanting our criminal justice system to focus on actual criminals.
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    Re: Should criminal records of adults be erased after their sentence has been served?

    Quote Originally Posted by Cardinal View Post
    Well, first of all I agree with What If's compromise in that it balances the needs of the ex-offender (having some hope for a post-prison career) against the needs of an employer (to protect themselves against an ex-offender who may have a proclivity for specific crimes). That being said, it is grossly negligent to opt for a system that allows a child molester to look after children. That, of course, is just the emotional hot button example of this thread, but there are others, such as the already mentioned embezzler working in a bank; or someone with a DUI record driving a limo, cab or airplane.
    I'm not sure I'm 100% happy with it, but it would be much much better than what we have now.

    Quote Originally Posted by Cardinal View Post
    Believe it or not I don't advocate the punitive treatment of ex-cons just for my own personal ****s and giggles, but you have to balance their needs (the right to the pursuit of freedom and happiness) with the rights of others to be informed and to choose not to take potential dangers into their homes or companies.
    See, that's the thing -- I don't think employers have an inherent right to know anything about an employee beyond what the law requires them to know. I don't think they have a right to educational transcripts, a work history, credit report, criminal record, or anything else. All records talk about is what you've done, not what you're planning to do. A records check doesn't protect you against a first-timer in any way, and it could easily prevent someone from rebuilding their life after screwing up.
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    Re: Should criminal records of adults be erased after their sentence has been served?

    Quote Originally Posted by TacticalEvilDan View Post
    I'm not sure I'm 100% happy with it, but it would be much much better than what we have now.
    Nothing wrong with taking incremental steps to improve a situation. If we waited for the "perfect solution" we'd never get anywhere, so I think it would be great if we started with that solution, see what issues it has, and further improve upon it.


    Quote Originally Posted by TacticalEvilDan View Post
    See, that's the thing -- I don't think employers have an inherent right to know anything about an employee beyond what the law requires them to know. I don't think they have a right to educational transcripts, a work history, credit report, criminal record, or anything else.
    Oy...I just can't agree with that. Do you believe you should be able to know anything about a potential girlfriend's past? As your relationship with her deteriorates, do you think it might have helped if you had known since the beginning that she had a severe meth addiction problem, or that she's been in and out of state prison for violent behavior?

    Quote Originally Posted by TacticalEvilDan View Post
    All records talk about is what you've done, not what you're planning to do. A records check doesn't protect you against a first-timer in any way, and it could easily prevent someone from rebuilding their life after screwing up.
    Well, that's just not true. If I see someone with a clean record it tells me they've thus far lived a life of good judgment and behavior, and that there are fair odds they'll continue that pattern of good behavior when working with/for me. Hell, why do you think everyone wants the contractor or baby sitter who doesn't overcharge, doesn't do a shoddy job or is always late, and why do you think those people tend to be learned of through word of mouth? Past records matter.

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    Re: Should criminal records of adults be erased after their sentence has been served?

    Quote Originally Posted by Cardinal View Post
    Oy...I just can't agree with that. Do you believe you should be able to know anything about a potential girlfriend's past? As your relationship with her deteriorates, do you think it might have helped if you had known since the beginning that she had a severe meth addiction problem, or that she's been in and out of state prison for violent behavior?
    I think you certainly have an interest in knowing about someone's past, but I don't think you have a right to it.

    Quote Originally Posted by Cardinal View Post
    Well, that's just not true. If I see someone with a clean record it tells me they've thus far lived a life of good judgment and behavior, and that there are fair odds they'll continue that pattern of good behavior when working with/for me.
    A clean record tells you only that they haven't been arrested or prosecuted. That's all it tells you. In short, you only know they haven't been caught.
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    Re: Should criminal records of adults be erased after their sentence has been served?

    I can think of several cases where it would be major foolishness to erase past records. How about alarm/security companies. I'm sure they'd like to know if someone applying had a history of burglary and theft. How about schools? I'm sure they would need to know if a prosepective hire has a record of molesting children.

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    Re: Should criminal records of adults be erased after their sentence has been served?

    Quote Originally Posted by clownboy View Post
    I can think of several cases where it would be major foolishness to erase past records. How about alarm/security companies. I'm sure they'd like to know if someone applying had a history of burglary and theft.
    Sort of like we'd never ever want to hire reformed hackers to help secure our information systems against foreign hackers -- right?
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    Re: Should criminal records of adults be erased after their sentence has been served?

    Quote Originally Posted by TacticalEvilDan View Post
    I think you certainly have an interest in knowing about someone's past, but I don't think you have a right to it.
    I disagree. If someone has disregarded the rights of another vis-a-vis their body or their property, they've broken a trust.

    Quote Originally Posted by TacticalEvilDan View Post
    A clean record tells you only that they haven't been arrested or prosecuted. That's all it tells you. In short, you only know they haven't been caught.
    I never claimed it would raise my odds of hiring a completely trustworthy person to 100%, only that the odds would be fair. Making an informed decision doesn't require omniscience.
    Last edited by Cardinal; 06-09-13 at 04:41 PM.

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    Re: Should criminal records of adults be erased after their sentence has been served?

    Quote Originally Posted by TacticalEvilDan View Post
    Sort of like we'd never ever want to hire reformed hackers to help secure our information systems against foreign hackers -- right?
    Slightly different. There are also situations where you'd want to hire former theifs to help you secure against future thiefs. However, their criminal records then become necessary as their curriculum vitae.

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    Re: Should criminal records of adults be erased after their sentence has been served?

    Quote Originally Posted by TacticalEvilDan View Post
    Goodie for you. I've read about and met people whose lives were all but destroyed by overcriminalization. I'm far less interested in your paycheck than I am in wanting our criminal justice system to focus on actual criminals.
    Oh please. The reason a great many things are criminalized is because regulatory pressures like fines were not working. This is nothing more than code for "I should be able to buy pot at the 7-11".

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    Re: Should criminal records of adults be erased after their sentence has been served?

    Quote Originally Posted by clownboy View Post
    Slightly different. There are also situations where you'd want to hire former theifs to help you secure against future thiefs. However, their criminal records then become necessary as their curriculum vitae.
    But I thought an alarm company wouldn't want to hire a burglar or a thief. Will you make up your mind?
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