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    Is this blowback from Iran/Contra by Reagan/Bush?

    http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2013...a-panama-canal "Nicaragua has awarded a Chinese company a 100-year concession to build an alternative to the Panama Canal, in a step that looks set to have profound geopolitical ramifications." "Nicaragua's president, Daniel Ortega, said recently that the new channel would be built through the waters of Lake Nicaragua.
    The new route will be a higher-capacity alternative to the 99-year-old Panama Canal, which is currently being widened at the cost of $5.2bn.
    Last year, the Nicaraguan government noted that the new canal should be able to allow passage for mega-container ships with a dead weight of up to 250,000 tonnes. This is more than double the size of the vessels that will be able to pass through the Panama Canal after its expansion, it said.
    According to a bill submitted to congress last year, Nicaragua's canal will be 22 metres deep and 286 km (178 miles) long - bigger than Panama and Suez in all dimensions." Is this the same Daniel Ortega that Reagan/Bush tried to eliminate? USA interests have talked about a canal here for years, but couldn't develop enough trust to make a deal? Will nefarious forces try to sabotage this deal?

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    Re: Is this blowback from Iran/Contra by Reagan/Bush?

    No. It sounds like a really expensive, labor intensive jobs program geared toward promoting tourism and economic development in the country that will create revenue in the country that would not go offshore like if they let "USA interests" be the ones to build and own the canal. It will further give China an alternate route for mega oil shipments and sending cargo to Cuba so the US cannot flex its muscle and deny China access.

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    Re: Is this blowback from Iran/Contra by Reagan/Bush?

    Good luck with this China.

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    Re: Is this blowback from Iran/Contra by Reagan/Bush?

    Quote Originally Posted by Fisher View Post
    No. It sounds like a really expensive, labor intensive jobs program geared toward promoting tourism and economic development in the country that will create revenue in the country that would not go offshore like if they let "USA interests" be the ones to build and own the canal. It will further give China an alternate route for mega oil shipments and sending cargo to Cuba so the US cannot flex its muscle and deny China access.
    I have an acquaintance that has been associated with a group trying to get a Canal across Nicaragua for twenty years. No joy. If some country had been arming and supporting insurgents/rebels/terrorists in your Country, would you do any business with them?

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    Re: Is this blowback from Iran/Contra by Reagan/Bush?

    Quote Originally Posted by DaveFagan View Post
    http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2013...a-panama-canal "Nicaragua has awarded a Chinese company a 100-year concession to build an alternative to the Panama Canal, in a step that looks set to have profound geopolitical ramifications." "Nicaragua's president, Daniel Ortega, said recently that the new channel would be built through the waters of Lake Nicaragua.
    The new route will be a higher-capacity alternative to the 99-year-old Panama Canal, which is currently being widened at the cost of $5.2bn.
    Last year, the Nicaraguan government noted that the new canal should be able to allow passage for mega-container ships with a dead weight of up to 250,000 tonnes. This is more than double the size of the vessels that will be able to pass through the Panama Canal after its expansion, it said.
    According to a bill submitted to congress last year, Nicaragua's canal will be 22 metres deep and 286 km (178 miles) long - bigger than Panama and Suez in all dimensions." Is this the same Daniel Ortega that Reagan/Bush tried to eliminate? USA interests have talked about a canal here for years, but couldn't develop enough trust to make a deal? Will nefarious forces try to sabotage this deal?
    It sounds like China will be doing all the work for us, because we'll be using it soon enough.
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    Re: Is this blowback from Iran/Contra by Reagan/Bush?

    Quote Originally Posted by Surtr View Post
    It sounds like China will be doing all the work for us, because we'll be using it soon enough.

    I think it will start a price war. As is, I think the cost of moving a ship through the Panama Canal exceeds $100,000 USD. It will also give strategic control of that shipping to China. The slippery Panamanian banks established by Noriega and the CIA might be affected, or not. Will the CIA send in insurgents from Guatemala and Panama? Does a cat have an ass?

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    Re: Is this blowback from Iran/Contra by Reagan/Bush?

    Quote Originally Posted by DaveFagan View Post
    http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2013...a-panama-canal "Nicaragua has awarded a Chinese company a 100-year concession to build an alternative to the Panama Canal, in a step that looks set to have profound geopolitical ramifications." "Nicaragua's president, Daniel Ortega, said recently that the new channel would be built through the waters of Lake Nicaragua.
    The new route will be a higher-capacity alternative to the 99-year-old Panama Canal, which is currently being widened at the cost of $5.2bn.
    Last year, the Nicaraguan government noted that the new canal should be able to allow passage for mega-container ships with a dead weight of up to 250,000 tonnes. This is more than double the size of the vessels that will be able to pass through the Panama Canal after its expansion, it said.
    According to a bill submitted to congress last year, Nicaragua's canal will be 22 metres deep and 286 km (178 miles) long - bigger than Panama and Suez in all dimensions." Is this the same Daniel Ortega that Reagan/Bush tried to eliminate? USA interests have talked about a canal here for years, but couldn't develop enough trust to make a deal? Will nefarious forces try to sabotage this deal?
    DAve, I have no doubt it's a little payback. At the time of Iran-Contra, we were far more interested in defeating Soviet proxies in our hemisphere than a blow back sometime in the nebulous future. Generally speaking, the threats at your doorstep are a higher priority than those of an unclear future. That's not to say the future shouldn't be a concern, but certainly not to such a degree that you leave yourself hamstrung in the present. In 1987 the Sandanistas were building a 100,000 foot runway on a new airstrip which would only be required for high performance aircraft - and the Nicaraguan's had no such aircraft - the Soviets did, and the evidence at the time suggested the Soviets were funding the airstrip, among other things. The canal is comparatively no threat.
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    Re: Is this blowback from Iran/Contra by Reagan/Bush?

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    As I am to understand, from what little I know, the Nicaraguan route for a canal is better than Panama.
    A century ago, Panama was chosen for some good"? reason.

    We had modernize quickly, else we will be speaking Chinese.
    "modernize", in this case, means "grow up"..
    One of many "grow up" steps is to recognize the Cuban government and stop the silly "war" against them.

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    Re: Is this blowback from Iran/Contra by Reagan/Bush?

    Quote Originally Posted by sawyerloggingon View Post
    Good luck with this China.
    If China can do anything, its grand scale engineering projects.

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    Re: Is this blowback from Iran/Contra by Reagan/Bush?

    Quote Originally Posted by Wiseone View Post
    If China can do anything, its grand scale engineering projects.
    They may be biting off more than they can chew in a jungle environment. This could be their 25 year bridge to nowhere.

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