• This is a political forum that is non-biased/non-partisan and treats every person's position on topics equally. This debate forum is not aligned to any political party. In today's politics, many ideas are split between and even within all the political parties. Often we find ourselves agreeing on one platform but some topics break our mold. We are here to discuss them in a civil political debate. If this is your first visit to our political forums, be sure to check out the RULES. Registering for debate politics is necessary before posting. Register today to participate - it's free!

For Conservatives: Religion and Valedictorian speechs [W:83]

Would you have an issue with a valedictorian reading the Call to Prayer

  • No, I'd have no problem at all.

    Votes: 14 43.8%

  • No. I'd not like it, but I wouldn't take issue with it.

    Votes: 9 28.1%

  • Yes, I don't think a public education ceremony is the right venue.

    Votes: 5 15.6%

  • Yes, I don't think it should be done because the crowd/state/nation is primarily Christian

    Votes: 1 3.1%

  • Yes, because I think it's offensive

    Votes: 2 6.3%

  • Yes, because I think it's unconstitutional

    Votes: 2 6.3%
  • Total voters
    32
ChuckBerry said:
Why not respectfully listen to the prayer, as you would any other part of the speech with which you may not agree?Should people fill out cards prior to speeches so that speakers can review them and edit out all subject matter that the audience does not wish to hear?
Click to expand...

No, the speakers who have the entire audience's ears hostage should just stick to the topic.
 
davidtaylorjr said:
Christians do teach micro-evolution to explain some diversity. But there is not evidence for macro-evolution no matter how hard scientists try to "prove" there is. Just like there is no "missing link"
Click to expand...

"There's no evidence" is different from "There's overwhelming evidence that I choose not to accept".

Not to derail the thread..
 
davidtaylorjr said:
Religion is one's belief system, yes Athiesm is a relition it just happens to not include a Deity. And yes, they do batter others.
Click to expand...

A belief system is not a religion... religions are institutions.

Atheism is lack of belief, and is not a religion.

How do they batter others?
 
So knowledge, what do you think about the actual question in the OP?
 
Knowledge=power said:
A belief system is not a religion... religions are institutions.

Atheism is lack of belief, and is not a religion.

How do they batter others?
Click to expand...

Atheism is a lack of belief in God, not a lack of belief. In fact, they have a faith, that there is no God. That is a religion.
 
davidtaylorjr said:
Atheism is a lack of belief in God, not a lack of belief. In fact, they have a faith, that there is no God. That is a religion.
Click to expand...

I lack a belief in Santa Claus.

Is that a religion?
 
davidtaylorjr said:
Christians do teach micro-evolution to explain some diversity. But there is not evidence for macro-evolution no matter how hard scientists try to "prove" there is. Just like there is no "missing link"
Click to expand...

Go to a museum and look at intermediate fossils.

Also, a good read: The Greatest Show On Earth - Richard Dawkins

But, start with: On The Origin of Species
 
Dapper Andy said:
The whole issue could just as easily be avoided if people like you just STFU.

There are plenty of people who don't want to hear what you have to say in this forum but you have 1,040 just the same.
Click to expand...

And this, ladies and gentleman, is lack of class.
 
Zyphlin said:
Referencing THIS story.

A question for Conservatives.

If a Valedictorian in a south carolina school decided to rip up their speech and instead read the islamic Call to Prayer, would you have an issue with that? If so, what would the reason for your taking issue with it?
Click to expand...

I would think it to be culturally inappropriate and question the judgment of the speaker for his/her choice in reciting the Adhan. The first thing any good public speaker does is know who their intended audience is. When you are speaking to a group that's made up of a vast majority of Christians, why then would you recite the Adhan to them?

Other than the above concerns I wouldn't really care. In the story you were referencing it made perfect sense for that valedictorian to recite the lords prayer, it was culturally relevant and relevant to the intended audience who then got up and applauded him for doing so.
 
Zyphlin said:
So knowledge, what do you think about the actual question in the OP?
Click to expand...

I think it is perfectly acceptable to thank one's God in the course of the ceremony, but to pause it for one's own personal prayer, whether he invites others to join or not, is inconsiderate. Reading scripture is going even further.
 
Knowledge=power said:
I think it is perfectly acceptable to thank one's God in the course of the ceremony, but to pause it for one's own personal prayer, whether he invites others to join or not, is inconsiderate. Reading scripture is going even further.
Click to expand...

Well, since you've completely been going off on every tangent BUT the question on the OP in this thread and seemingly didn't even know what the OP was based on this response, let me repost it to you (Even though I'm PRETTY sure you're not a Conservative, but decided to interject into this thread anyways so why not see your answer)...

Would you have an issue with a Valedictorian reciting the "Call to Prayer" of the Muslim Faith as his Valedictorian speech? And if you would have an issue, why? Because it's unconstitutional, because it's offensive, because you just think religion shouldn't mix with schools, etc?

The question isn't asking about thanking one's god or saying a personal prayer. It asked a specific question.
 
davidtaylorjr said:
From Webster, Religion: a cause, principle, or system of beliefs held to with ardor and faith.

There is no way you can say Athiests do not fit this definition.
Click to expand...

Atheism is lack of faith or belief. They do not fit that definition.
 
Knowledge=power said:
Atheism is lack of faith or belief. They do not fit that definition.
Click to expand...

No they have a faith that there is not God. A belief that there is no God. They have a lack of MY belief. That doesn't mean they don't have a belief. Nice try.
 
Please. If that ever happened it would be national news and all we would hear about is how Islam is bad or whatever.
 
Zyphlin said:
Well, since you've completely been going off on every tangent BUT the question on the OP in this thread and seemingly didn't even know what the OP was based on this response, let me repost it to you (Even though I'm PRETTY sure you're not a Conservative, but decided to interject into this thread anyways so why not see your answer)...

Would you have an issue with a Valedictorian reciting the "Call to Prayer" of the Muslim Faith as his Valedictorian speech? And if you would have an issue, why? Because it's unconstitutional, because it's offensive, because you just think religion shouldn't mix with schools, etc?

The question isn't asking about thanking one's god or saying a personal prayer. It asked a specific question.
Click to expand...

Yes, I would have an issue with it. Yes, religion shoudn't mix with school, or government, or many other things to which it does not apply.

I made the statement about it being acceptable for someone to thank their god to explain what I would personally view as acceptable in relation to the OP.
 
davidtaylorjr said:
Religion is one's belief system, yes Athiesm is a relition it just happens to not include a Deity. And yes, they do batter others.
Click to expand...

You can't have a belief of nonbelief. It's like saying you can paint with a non existent color. A lack of belief? No. I have no beliefs whatsoever. My choices aren't even based on any kind of faith based morality. I do things based on what I perceive will be their outcome. There is no hand in the sky, no tenet, I don't go around preaching about it, knocking doors, asking if you have a minute. There is nothing about atheism which compels me to do anything I don't want to. If that is a religion, you've got some academic work to do. Mostly on researching what exatcly makes up a religion.
 
Last edited:
davidtaylorjr said:
No they have a faith that there is not God. A belief that there is no God. They have a lack of MY belief. That doesn't mean they don't have a belief. Nice try.
Click to expand...

Once again, belief does not = religion. And you are really butchering the word belief here.
 
You must log in or register to reply here.
Back
Top Bottom