View Poll Results: Would you have an issue with a valedictorian reading the Call to Prayer

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  • No, I'd have no problem at all.

    17 45.95%
  • No. I'd not like it, but I wouldn't take issue with it.

    11 29.73%
  • Yes, I don't think a public education ceremony is the right venue.

    6 16.22%
  • Yes, I don't think it should be done because the crowd/state/nation is primarily Christian

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Thread: For Conservatives: Religion and Valedictorian speechs [W:83]

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    re: For Conservatives: Religion and Valedictorian speechs [W:83]

    Quote Originally Posted by Knowledge=power View Post
    This is a debate forum...
    It sure is.

    One where you've made dozens of complaints about people mentioning religion in his presence.

    And a few where you became offended by others pointing out you can just as easily keep your complaints to yourself.

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    re: For Conservatives: Religion and Valedictorian speechs [W:83]

    Quote Originally Posted by Knowledge=power View Post
    Fascinating...
    Apparently you don't get a joke.
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    re: For Conservatives: Religion and Valedictorian speechs [W:83]

    Moderator's Warning:
    For Conservatives: Religion and Valedictorian speechs [W:83]A reminder to stick to the topic. Discussions regarding whether or not atheism is a religion are off topic.

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    re: For Conservatives: Religion and Valedictorian speechs [W:83]

    Quote Originally Posted by Knowledge=power View Post
    I don't either, I agree completely with this post.

    Edit: I disagree with the brief prayer part. Thanking God IMO is acceptable.
    So you're ok with us thanking God out loud, otherwise we shouldn't say anything about our religion to anyone ever. Generous.

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    re: For Conservatives: Religion and Valedictorian speechs [W:83]

    I know I would be a unique participant, but here's my rationale. While many conservatives may look to religion and perhaps religious tradition, I would also posit that conservatism also inhabits a particular respect for authority and disdain for what are deemed unnecessary rebellious acts. I believe in the utility of religion in public life, but I also believe in a strict adherence to propriety and protocol unless absolutely necessary to do otherwise (and I am skeptical of most claims of "necessary").

    Once the student broke protocol, then it is up to the event facilitators to determine if they need to take steps to end the changes, let them slide, or reprimand the student (though they should be lenient and not disproportionate to the offense).
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    re: For Conservatives: Religion and Valedictorian speechs [W:83]

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    Referencing THIS story.

    A question for Conservatives.

    If a Valedictorian in a south carolina school decided to rip up their speech and instead read the islamic Call to Prayer, would you have an issue with that? If so, what would the reason for your taking issue with it?
    For the same reason this kid did? No problem at all.

    I would have been particularly proud if this were an atheist who recited a pastapferian version of the prayer.

    Its not about any particuler religion, it's about the 1st amendment.

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    re: For Conservatives: Religion and Valedictorian speechs [W:83]

    Originally Posted by davidtaylorjr:

    We are tired of our rights being squelched.
    To which I replied on post number #40 this morning:

    What do you mean? Be specific and please give comparative examples regarding other religions. If you are tired of it, it must happen a lot. Other religions must be getting a great deal more favoritism by something or somebody and it must be happening quite a bit. Who and how and how often?
    Still no response from David Taylor. Crickets.










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    re: For Conservatives: Religion and Valedictorian speechs [W:83]

    Quote Originally Posted by davidtaylorjr View Post
    We are tired of our rights being squelched.
    Quote Originally Posted by Risky Thicket View Post
    What do you mean? Be specific and please give comparative examples regarding other religions. If you are tired of it, it must happen a lot. Other religions must be getting a great deal more favoritism by something or somebody and it must be happening quite a bit. Who and how and how often?
    David, you must have missed my response ^^^ earlier today and a similar post to a similar statement you made regarding the same issue on another thread.










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    re: For Conservatives: Religion and Valedictorian speechs [W:83]

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    re: For Conservatives: Religion and Valedictorian speechs [W:83]

    My bad. I answered the poll but I'm not a conservative... or a liberal, for that matter.

    Since I did answer, though, I'll explain that my answer is the same as it was on the original thread. A ceremony held for a public educational institution should not be used as a religious pulpit at all, and most certainly not when the school itself has stated that religious commentary was not to be part of the graduation.

    I'd object to anyone using such an occasion to proselytize their belief or their lack of belief to a captive audience that was there for a completely different purpose.

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