View Poll Results: Would you have an issue with a valedictorian reading the Call to Prayer

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  • No, I'd have no problem at all.

    17 45.95%
  • No. I'd not like it, but I wouldn't take issue with it.

    11 29.73%
  • Yes, I don't think a public education ceremony is the right venue.

    6 16.22%
  • Yes, I don't think it should be done because the crowd/state/nation is primarily Christian

    2 5.41%
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    3 8.11%
  • Yes, because I think it's unconstitutional

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Thread: For Conservatives: Religion and Valedictorian speechs [W:83]

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    re: For Conservatives: Religion and Valedictorian speechs [W:83]

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    Well, since you've completely been going off on every tangent BUT the question on the OP in this thread and seemingly didn't even know what the OP was based on this response, let me repost it to you (Even though I'm PRETTY sure you're not a Conservative, but decided to interject into this thread anyways so why not see your answer)...

    Would you have an issue with a Valedictorian reciting the "Call to Prayer" of the Muslim Faith as his Valedictorian speech? And if you would have an issue, why? Because it's unconstitutional, because it's offensive, because you just think religion shouldn't mix with schools, etc?

    The question isn't asking about thanking one's god or saying a personal prayer. It asked a specific question.
    Yes, I would have an issue with it. Yes, religion shoudn't mix with school, or government, or many other things to which it does not apply.

    I made the statement about it being acceptable for someone to thank their god to explain what I would personally view as acceptable in relation to the OP.

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    re: For Conservatives: Religion and Valedictorian speechs [W:83]

    Quote Originally Posted by davidtaylorjr View Post
    Religion is one's belief system, yes Athiesm is a relition it just happens to not include a Deity. And yes, they do batter others.
    You can't have a belief of nonbelief. It's like saying you can paint with a non existent color. A lack of belief? No. I have no beliefs whatsoever. My choices aren't even based on any kind of faith based morality. I do things based on what I perceive will be their outcome. There is no hand in the sky, no tenet, I don't go around preaching about it, knocking doors, asking if you have a minute. There is nothing about atheism which compels me to do anything I don't want to. If that is a religion, you've got some academic work to do. Mostly on researching what exatcly makes up a religion.
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    re: For Conservatives: Religion and Valedictorian speechs [W:83]

    Quote Originally Posted by davidtaylorjr View Post
    No they have a faith that there is not God. A belief that there is no God. They have a lack of MY belief. That doesn't mean they don't have a belief. Nice try.
    Once again, belief does not = religion. And you are really butchering the word belief here.

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    re: For Conservatives: Religion and Valedictorian speechs [W:83]

    Quote Originally Posted by Knowledge=power View Post
    That's not how us grownups act, little Andy
    Says the guy with over two dozen complaints about people mentioning religion in his presence in this thread alone.


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    re: For Conservatives: Religion and Valedictorian speechs [W:83]

    Quote Originally Posted by Knowledge=power View Post
    Once again, belief does not = religion. And you are really butchering the word belief here.
    You ignored the definition.
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    re: For Conservatives: Religion and Valedictorian speechs [W:83]

    While I don't think that a graduation ceremony is the proper place to do it, the individual has the right to free speech and is given a venue to perform that speech, therefore so long as that speech doesn't violate the law (giving away state secrets and the like), they can say anything they want to say. That doesn't mean there won't be consequences for the speaker, actions always come with potential consequences, but that doesn't mean they don't have the right to say what they want and the podium to say it.
    There is nothing demonstrably true that religion can provide the world that cannot be achieved more rationally through entirely secular means.

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    re: For Conservatives: Religion and Valedictorian speechs [W:83]

    Quote Originally Posted by Dapper Andy View Post
    Says the guy with over two dozen complaints about people mentioning religion in his presence in this thread alone.

    This is a debate forum...

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    re: For Conservatives: Religion and Valedictorian speechs [W:83]

    Quote Originally Posted by davidtaylorjr View Post
    You ignored the definition.
    Do you reaaallllly want to get into ignorance?

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    re: For Conservatives: Religion and Valedictorian speechs [W:83]

    Quote Originally Posted by Knowledge=power View Post
    Do you reaaallllly want to get into ignorance?
    Yours? Sure.
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    re: For Conservatives: Religion and Valedictorian speechs [W:83]

    Quote Originally Posted by davidtaylorjr View Post
    Yours? Sure.
    Fascinating...

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