View Poll Results: Would you have an issue with a valedictorian reading the Call to Prayer

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  • Yes, I don't think a public education ceremony is the right venue.

    6 16.22%
  • Yes, I don't think it should be done because the crowd/state/nation is primarily Christian

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Thread: For Conservatives: Religion and Valedictorian speechs [W:83]

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    re: For Conservatives: Religion and Valedictorian speechs [W:83]

    The opposition to religion in school is little more than a proxy political war by liberals on conservatives. I went to a private school that was multi-cultural that allowed Jews to be Jews, Muslims to Muslims, Christians to be Christians, Atheists to be Atheists including meal menus that were completely respectful of all faiths having an assortment with the menu items marked Kosher, vegetarian, etc. If anyone respected the right of people to believe, they would advocate for policies of inclusion, not one of exclusion that suspends people for wearing a Saint Christopher or cross or Star of David or mentioning "God". One simply cannot claim to be for diversity, tolerance, etc and support policies that punish that with any degree of intellectual honesty.

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    re: For Conservatives: Religion and Valedictorian speechs [W:83]

    Quote Originally Posted by Fisher View Post
    The opposition to religion in school is little more than a proxy political war by liberals on conservatives. I went to a private school that was multi-cultural that allowed Jews to be Jews, Muslims to Muslims, Christians to be Christians, Atheists to be Atheists including meal menus that were completely respectful of all faiths having an assortment with the menu items marked Kosher, vegetarian, etc. If anyone respected the right of people to believe, they would advocate for policies of inclusion, not one of exclusion that suspends people for wearing a Saint Christopher or cross or Star of David or mentioning "God". One simply cannot claim to be for diversity, tolerance, etc and support policies that punish that with any degree of intellectual honesty.
    Obviously, schools like that are ideal - but unfortunately, not all people are that tolerant.

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    re: For Conservatives: Religion and Valedictorian speechs [W:83]

    Quote Originally Posted by Knowledge=power View Post
    No one is squelching your rights...

    It's a matter of respect and consideration for others. If you are at a public event, just pray to yourself or read your bible silently. God can still hear you
    Do you apply the same restrictions to other speech? Should anti war protesters be expected to protest quietly so as to not offend or inconvenience those who disagree with them?
    "I believe in a Spinoza's God who reveals himself in the harmony of all that exists, but not in a God who concerns himself with the fate and actions of human beings."

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    For Conservatives: Religion and Valedictorian speechs

    Quote Originally Posted by Knowledge=power View Post
    Why do people, of any faith, feel the need to be heard when they pray or read scripture?
    Why does anyone need to be heard about anything?
    The morality of abortion is not a religious belief, any more than the morality of slavery, apartheid, rape, larceny, murder or arson is a religious belief. These are norms of the natural law of mankind and can be legislated even in a completely religionless society.

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    re: For Conservatives: Religion and Valedictorian speechs [W:83]

    Quote Originally Posted by Moon View Post
    Do you apply the same restrictions to other speech? Should anti war protesters be expected to protest quietly so as to not offend or inconvenience those who disagree with them?

    Are they doing this at a High School graduatio?

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    re: For Conservatives: Religion and Valedictorian speechs [W:83]

    Quote Originally Posted by Knowledge=power View Post
    Wouldn't a very simple solution be to just pray before or after the ceremony?

    Why do people, of any faith, feel the need to be heard when they pray or read scripture?
    I think most of them think that if everyone doesn't see them doing it, it doesn't count.

    As for the OP, I'm not conservative, but I would prefer nobody of any religion conduct their religious business during school ceremonies. I don't however think it should be criminal.
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    For Conservatives: Religion and Valedictorian speechs

    Quote Originally Posted by Knowledge=power View Post
    No one is squelching your rights...

    It's a matter of respect and consideration for others. If you are at a public event, just pray to yourself or read your bible silently. God can still hear you
    Why not respectfully listen to the prayer, as you would any other part of the speech with which you may not agree?Should people fill out cards prior to speeches so that speakers can review them and edit out all subject matter that the audience does not wish to hear?
    The morality of abortion is not a religious belief, any more than the morality of slavery, apartheid, rape, larceny, murder or arson is a religious belief. These are norms of the natural law of mankind and can be legislated even in a completely religionless society.

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    re: For Conservatives: Religion and Valedictorian speechs [W:83]

    Quote Originally Posted by winston53660 View Post
    Are they doing this at a High School graduatio?
    I was speaking in more general terms, but what does it matter?
    "I believe in a Spinoza's God who reveals himself in the harmony of all that exists, but not in a God who concerns himself with the fate and actions of human beings."

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    re: For Conservatives: Religion and Valedictorian speechs [W:83]

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    Referencing THIS story.

    A question for Conservatives.

    If a Valedictorian in a south carolina school decided to rip up their speech and instead read the islamic Call to Prayer, would you have an issue with that? If so, what would the reason for your taking issue with it?
    I said no, I'd have no problem with it, but I'd qualify that by saying provided he/she cleared it with the graduating class first - I would no more want a selfish display of religion against the students' wishes than I would want a selfish display of political commentary - this is a ceremony for the kids - as long as the kids don't object, the teachers/administrators should stay out of it.
    "Liberals claim to want to give a hearing to other views, but then are shocked and offended to discover that there are other views." William F. Buckley Jr.

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    re: For Conservatives: Religion and Valedictorian speechs [W:83]

    Quote Originally Posted by davidtaylorjr View Post
    We are tired of our rights being squelched.
    What do you mean? Be specific and please give comparative examples regarding other religions. If you are tired of it, it must happen a lot. Other religions must be getting a great deal more favoritism by something or somebody and it must be happening quite a bit. Who and how and how often?










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