View Poll Results: Would you have an issue with a valedictorian reading the Call to Prayer

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  • No, I'd have no problem at all.

    17 45.95%
  • No. I'd not like it, but I wouldn't take issue with it.

    11 29.73%
  • Yes, I don't think a public education ceremony is the right venue.

    6 16.22%
  • Yes, I don't think it should be done because the crowd/state/nation is primarily Christian

    2 5.41%
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    3 8.11%
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Thread: For Conservatives: Religion and Valedictorian speechs [W:83]

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    Re: For Conservatives: Religion and Valedictorian speechs [W:83]

    Quote Originally Posted by spanky View Post
    So if an atheist valedictorian talked about his non belief and how god doesn't exist, do you think he would be called a hero and invited on Fox news?
    How is that relevant?
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    Re: For Conservatives: Religion and Valedictorian speechs [W:83]

    Quote Originally Posted by davidtaylorjr View Post
    How is that relevant?
    He's just pointing out the hypocrisy.
    There is nothing demonstrably true that religion can provide the world that cannot be achieved more rationally through entirely secular means.

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    Re: For Conservatives: Religion and Valedictorian speechs [W:83]

    Quote Originally Posted by Cephus View Post
    He's just pointing out the hypocrisy.
    But it has nothing to do with the topic.
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    Re: For Conservatives: Religion and Valedictorian speechs [W:83]

    Quote Originally Posted by davidtaylorjr View Post
    But it has nothing to do with the topic.
    It does, however, have everything to do with reality. The fact is, this isn't a free speech issue, it's yet another case for the right wing (which switches off with the left wing on alternate weeks) to do something absurdly hypocritical and make themselves look stupid.
    There is nothing demonstrably true that religion can provide the world that cannot be achieved more rationally through entirely secular means.

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    Re: For Conservatives: Religion and Valedictorian speechs [W:83]

    Quote Originally Posted by Cephus View Post
    It does, however, have everything to do with reality. The fact is, this isn't a free speech issue, it's yet another case for the right wing (which switches off with the left wing on alternate weeks) to do something absurdly hypocritical and make themselves look stupid.
    Hmm, not sure that is what is going on at all here.
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    Re: For Conservatives: Religion and Valedictorian speechs [W:83]

    I have long thought that open of the most bizarre creations of the far wrong is the idea that the First Amendment requires the suppression and censorship of religious expression in certain contexts; essentially turning the First Amendment into an excuse for the very sort of censorship that it was intended to prohibit, and in instrument for the suppression and violation of the very rights that it was intended to protect.

    There are quite a few Muslims among my coworkers, and at the appropriate times of each day, a small group of them assemble in a corner to say pray in the manner that their faith dictates. They often do this in full view and within full earshot of me. Some may find this difficult to believe, but even though I am not a Muslim, I have not been in any way harmed, nor had my rights violated in any way, by being exposed to this ritual.
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    Re: For Conservatives: Religion and Valedictorian speechs [W:83]

    Quote Originally Posted by davidtaylorjr View Post
    Hmm, not sure that is what is going on at all here.
    You don't think this is becoming a rallying point for those of a particular religious and political bent? It happens every couple of years, some situation like this, and all of the radical right wing nutcases hold hands and sing kumbayah around it before it fades away. The left-wing loonies do the same thing with their own similar situations.
    There is nothing demonstrably true that religion can provide the world that cannot be achieved more rationally through entirely secular means.

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    Re: For Conservatives: Religion and Valedictorian speechs [W:83]

    Quote Originally Posted by Cephus View Post
    You don't think this is becoming a rallying point for those of a particular religious and political bent? It happens every couple of years, some situation like this, and all of the radical right wing nutcases hold hands and sing kumbayah around it before it fades away. The left-wing loonies do the same thing with their own similar situations.
    Yeah, not what is going on here at all. We are talking about the Constitutional rights of Americans.
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    Re: For Conservatives: Religion and Valedictorian speechs [W:83]

    Quote Originally Posted by davidtaylorjr View Post
    Yeah, not what is going on here at all. We are talking about the Constitutional rights of Americans.
    Which I have agreed with, that doesn't mean that it was a good idea what he did. There are plenty of things that one could do that are Constitutionally guaranteed that are just stupid ideas.
    There is nothing demonstrably true that religion can provide the world that cannot be achieved more rationally through entirely secular means.

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    Re: For Conservatives: Religion and Valedictorian speechs [W:83]

    Quote Originally Posted by Risky Thicket View Post
    David, you must have missed my response ^^^ earlier today and a similar post to a similar statement you made regarding the same issue on another thread.
    Christians are constantly being told that we should keep to ourselves. We are constantly being told to separate church and state. We are constantly being told that religion has no place in politics.
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