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Thread: Valedictorian Defies School District and Recites Lord's Prayer [W:618]

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    Valedictorian Defies School District and Recites Lord's Prayer [W:618]

    Liberty High valedictorian's speech causes stir - FOX Carolina 21

    Do you think the school was right to ban this in the first place? Why or why not?
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    re: Valedictorian Defies School District and Recites Lord's Prayer [W:618]

    I just lost all my faith in valedictorians.
    Either I'm right or you're wrong.

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    re: Valedictorian Defies School District and Recites Lord's Prayer [W:618]

    Quote Originally Posted by shlunka View Post
    I just lost all my faith in valedictorians.
    And your answer to the question?
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    re: Valedictorian Defies School District and Recites Lord's Prayer [W:618]

    Quote Originally Posted by davidtaylorjr View Post
    And your answer to the question?
    Separation from church and state, the valedictorian is in the wrong. Simple as that.
    Either I'm right or you're wrong.

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    re: Valedictorian Defies School District and Recites Lord's Prayer [W:618]

    Quote Originally Posted by shlunka View Post
    Separation from church and state, the valedictorian is in the wrong. Simple as that.
    You realize there is nothing in the constitution about such things? That was from a letter from Jefferson on a totally different matter. And, schools currently allow student initated prayer, the school itself just can't do so.

    Freedom of speech my friend.
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    re: Valedictorian Defies School District and Recites Lord's Prayer [W:618]

    I don't know why people go soooooooooooooooooo offended by anything religious. I mean.... anything Christian. It was his speech representing himself and his life. Valedictorians shouldn't have to edit and revise their speeches to make sure they don't offend any beliefs of those in the audience. Ridiculous.


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    re: Valedictorian Defies School District and Recites Lord's Prayer [W:618]

    I strongly support the separation of Church & State, but I also am zealous in my defense of freedom of speech. This was an individual who was selected to give a speech to his peers. I'm not a fan of school reviewed and approved speech, if they did not want this individual giving the graduation speech that is one thing, but once you pick him then you accept that his right to speak freely does not stop when he crosses the school doors.

    Also the article does not seem to say that what he did was banned: "Prayer in Pickens County has been highly debated this spring after the school board adopted a new policy that allows non-student led, non-sectarian prayer at meetings."

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    re: Valedictorian Defies School District and Recites Lord's Prayer [W:618]

    Quote Originally Posted by Josie View Post
    I don't know why people go soooooooooooooooooo offended by anything religious. I mean.... anything Christian. It was his speech representing himself and his life. Valedictorians shouldn't have to edit and revise their speeches to make sure they don't offend any beliefs of those in the audience. Ridiculous.
    1st Ammendment rights are often overlooked for Christians. Try to put it the other way around and the liberals throw the book at you.
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    re: Valedictorian Defies School District and Recites Lord's Prayer [W:618]

    Quote Originally Posted by Sherman123 View Post
    I strongly support the separation of Church & State, but I also am zealous in my defense of freedom of speech. This was an individual who was selected to give a speech to his peers. I'm not a fan of school reviewed and approved speech, if they did not want this individual giving the graduation speech that is one thing, but once you pick him then you accept that his right to speak freely does not stop when he crosses the school doors.

    Also the article does not seem to say that what he did was banned: "Prayer in Pickens County has been highly debated this spring after the school board adopted a new policy that allows non-student led, non-sectarian prayer at meetings."
    Sorry, I know someone who know the situation first-hand as I do live in SC and they told him he would have to re-write the speech and was not allowed to use the prayer.
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    re: Valedictorian Defies School District and Recites Lord's Prayer [W:618]

    The point of contention for me was that his speech was unapproved. Freedom of Speech does not allow you to say whatever you want, and organizations are allowed to place self-restricting limitations on what one can say or do as a parameter for membership. If a member acts against these agreed upon rules then they can be punished. So the valedictorian speeches require approval and the speech given was not the one approved, then quite simply he broke the rule and deserves punishment. On the other hand, I personally don't see any good valid reason for denying him the ability to incorporate a prayer into his speech if he so chose to do so.

    Personal invocation of God or the use of prayer is not a violation of religious freedom, it is when faith-based principles are directly applied through the legislative process to show preference to one faith over another that violates the separation. People who would be offended by such a speech have thin skin and should realize that the diversity of opinion makes it impossible to avoid topics that you may not agree with. If you don't like listening to prayers then you should avoid being around people who don't mind praying in public.

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