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Valedictorian Defies School District and Recites Lord's Prayer [W:618]

Should the school have banned the reading of the prayer by the student?

  • Yes

    Votes: 24 27.3%

  • No

    Votes: 60 68.2%

  • Undecided

    Votes: 4 4.5%
  • Total voters
    88
AlabamaPaul said:
So, you're in favor of censorship?
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It depends on the situation. Censorship happens all the time on television. Don't hear you freaking out about that. Why don't you just admit that this comes down to the fact that you want religion in school, perhaps even a theocracy.
 
Henrin said:
Look, you didn't finish first and he did. As such he gets to speak and say what he wants and you don't. Like it is with any other public speaking event the speakers are invited to speak and that is what they do. No one ever said that life was fair and everyone would finish first.
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WOOSH. I think his point went RIGHT over your head.
 
Jack Hays said:
Or maybe she's just not afraid of free speech and the marketplace of ideas. You were pretty quick to use the word "dishonesty" with me. This valedictorian is a brave and courageous young man who did a fine thing. Ours would be a better country if he were widely emulated.:peace
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All this guy wants to do is promote a single ideal. There is no marketplace about it.
 
ChrisL said:
It depends on the situation. Censorship happens all the time on television. Don't hear you freaking out about that. Why don't you just admit that this comes down to the fact that you want religion in school, perhaps even a theocracy.
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I'm not a religious person. Do you have any other traits you'd like to find me guilty of?
 
winston53660 said:
All this guy wants to do is promote a single ideal. There is no marketplace about it.
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Kind of like how a great deal of public speeches want to promote a single ideal.
 
Risky Thicket said:
So, you support someone saying whatever they want at a commencement speech?
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Why does it matter again? Seems like there is better things to worry about than a speech that no one will even remember.
 
winston53660 said:
All this guy wants to do is promote a single ideal. There is no marketplace about it.
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And people with other ideals should promote theirs. I'd like to see hundreds of statements of conviction by principled valedictorians across the country and across the full spectrum of belief and unbelief. We would be a better country.:peace
 
Henrin said:
Look, you didn't finish first and he did.
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Oh if only you knew.

As such he gets to speak and say what he wants and you don't.
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My podium is a little bit bigger and it is also a paycheck

Like it is with any other public speaking event the speakers are invited to speak and that is what they do. No one ever said that life was fair and everyone would finish first.
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That is fine by me. Pay for it yourself though.
 
ChrisL said:
Well, this is the last straw for me. We are getting NO where. :lol: What you are suggesting is just foolish.
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What would you objection be? If he had said something that was revolting to most, he would have been ridiculed. If he had incited violence against a public official, he would have been detained. He stated his thoughts as to why he he believed he had been successful in school, yet you find that objectionable. I don't understand the thought process...
 
Henrin said:
He is there to speak and you are there to listen. Do you make this point at every speech in a public building or just this one?
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Good evening, Henrin. :2wave:

Lately, it seems that anything that has to do with religion of any type is cause for alarm from some, and it makes me wonder why! I realize that there are factions that would prefer that the government be the one telling everyone what to think, but we have a Constitution and a Bill of Rights that gives us our protections, and those documents treat everyone equally. Government doesn't always do the same. :naughty:
 
Jack Hays said:
And people with other ideals should promote theirs. I'd like to see hundreds of statements of conviction by principled valedictorians across the country and across the full spectrum of belief and unbelief. We would be a better country.:peace
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I do not disagree in principle, Jack. However, having a long history of family in South Carolina, since 1715, I doubt that **** will play well in many parts of the nation.
 
JC Callender said:
Evening Jack.....wasn't what he did dishonest? And didn't he conspire to do it?
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That's not the way I see it. He did a brave and principled thing to resist illegitimate restraint on his expression of his convictions.:peace

And good evening, JCC.
 
Henrin said:
Kind of like how a great deal of public speeches want to promote a single ideal.
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Weare not just talking about public speech. We are talking about speech supported on the public dime.
 
winston53660 said:
Weare not just talking about public speech. We are talking about speech supported on the public dime.
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No one supported the speech other than the speaker. He wasn't paid...
 
AlabamaPaul said:
What would you objection be? If he had said something that was revolting to most, he would have been ridiculed. If he had incited violence against a public official, he would have been detained. He stated his thoughts as to why he he believed he had been successful in school, yet you find that objectionable. I don't understand the thought process...
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Answer me, Alabama Paul. If he had declared that homosexuality had enabled him to realize his full academic potential and if he had advocated the consideration of homosexuality for anyone aspiring to excel academically, you would vehemently support his commencement address? And, therefore, you would support and advocate the same right for future commencement speakers?
 
Risky Thicket said:
I do not disagree in principle, Jack. However, having a long history of family in South Carolina, since 1715, I doubt that **** will play well in many parts of the nation.
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I understand. I'm fairly far along in years, and increasingly impatient with those for whom "freedom is just a small word.":peace
 
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