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Valedictorian Defies School District and Recites Lord's Prayer [W:618]

Should the school have banned the reading of the prayer by the student?

  • Yes

    Votes: 24 27.3%

  • No

    Votes: 60 68.2%

  • Undecided

    Votes: 4 4.5%
  • Total voters
    88
ChezC3 said:
I find this viewpoint a bit disconcerting coming from someone purporting to be a libertarian.

Depending on your location and to varying degrees you can carry weapons in public places.

Personally it is an affront on our rights that this isn't a universal allowance.

Hold on now. Do you hear what you're saying?



Your preference trumps my RIGHTS? Au contraire mon frere. Rights aren't limited to the anyone's individual tastes, and especially not limited by prejudice.
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They're kids that we're talking about here, high school students. :roll:
 
ChezC3 said:
I find this viewpoint a bit disconcerting coming from someone purporting to be a libertarian.

Depending on your location and to varying degrees you can carry weapons in public places.

Personally it is an affront on our rights that this isn't a universal allowance.

Hold on now. Do you hear what you're saying?



Your preference trumps my RIGHTS? Au contraire mon frere. Rights aren't limited to the anyone's individual tastes, and especially not limited by prejudice.
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when i speak about issues like these, i always ask myself a question....and one is " who's property is it"

i am a strong supporter of private property rights, and when pubic property is in play, you cant treat it like private, their are limitations on your rights when your on public property.
 
ChezC3 said:
Well then God bless ya...;)
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Well, I'm not, but if I was I might find the Lord's prayer offensive, just as you might find the Satan's prayer offensive or cursing offensive.
 
ChrisL said:
Well, I'm not, but if I was I might find the Lord's prayer offensive, just as you might find the Satan's prayer offensive or cursing offensive.
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Because you might find it offensive, does that mean another person's freedom of speech and religious expression needs to be restricted?
 
ChrisL said:
They're kids that we're talking about here, high school students. :roll:
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and the lesson you want to teach them is to bow before the omnipotent government...got it!
 
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ChezC3 said:
and the lessen you want to teach them is to bow before the omnipotent government...got it!
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Respect for rules and how to follow them. That is just part of being a grown-up. :shrug: Grown-ups who don't follow rules are called "criminals." ;)
 
AlabamaPaul said:
Because you might find it offensive, does that mean another person's freedom of speech and religious expression needs to be restricted?
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During a school sponsored event, such as a graduation, it does. The whole ceremony is a privilege put on by the school actually.
 
ChrisL said:
Respect for rules and how to follow them. That is just part of being a grown-up. :shrug: Grown-ups who don't follow rules are called "criminals." ;)
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Someone's rules do not trump another's rights...
 
ChrisL said:
During a school sponsored event, such as a graduation, it does. The whole ceremony is a privilege put on by the school actually.
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I'm sorry, but just because some may be offended is not a good enough reason to restrict someone's rights as expressed in the Constitution...
 
AlabamaPaul said:
Someone's rules do not trump another's rights...
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You would be wrong about that. At school sponsored events, the school is allowed to restrict any speech that they think could be offensive or align them with a particular religious denomination. The Supreme Court says that they can, as long as it is not a horrible infringement, but they are certainly allowed to approve or restrict certain content.
 
ernst barkmann said:
when i speak about issues like these, i always ask myself a question....and one is " who's property is it"

i am a strong supporter of private property rights, and when pubic property is in play, you cant treat it like private, their are limitations on your rights when your on public property.
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and you can't believe how incredibly offensive I find that viewpoint. As I stated, so long as you aren't promoting hate, inciting violence, or promoting something illegal anything and everything should be allowed on public property because no one person owns it, it is owed, in theory anyhow, by the public. Everyone. So everyone has a right to do as they see fit, everything but the above exclusions.

On private property, again you can do as you please, save the above exclusions. You just have to be prepared to leave peacefully should the owners of that private property demand it.
 
AlabamaPaul said:
I'm sorry, but just because some may be offended is not a good enough reason to restrict someone's rights as expressed in the Constitution...
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Children's rights are not at the same level as the rights of an adult. Did you not realize that?
 
ChrisL said:
You would be wrong about that. At school sponsored events, the school is allowed to restrict any speech that they think could be offensive or align them with a particular religious denomination. The Supreme Court says that they can, as long as it is not a horrible infringement, but they are certainly allowed to approve or restrict certain content.
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I really don't care what the SCOTUS has ruled. They are humans and are subject to prejudices as we all are. I'm not a very PC person...
 
ChezC3 said:
and you can't believe how incredibly offensive I find that viewpoint. As I stated, so long as you aren't promoting hate, inciting violence, or promoting something illegal anything and everything should be allowed on public property because no one person owns it, it is owed, in theory anyhow, by the public. Everyone. So everyone has a right to do as they see fit, everything but the above exclusions.

On private property, again you can do as you please, save the above exclusions. You just have to be prepared to leave peacefully should the owners of that private property demand it.
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The thing is, it is not exclusive to anyone because the rules would apply to EVERY religious denomination. Oh, and the state owns public property.
 
ChrisL said:
Was it? I've forgotten already. :mrgreen: Something about bald I think.
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yeah, I use to hit the bottle hard on the weekends myself...:2razz:
 
ChrisL said:
Children's rights are not at the same level as the rights of an adult. Did you not realize that?
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HS graduates are not children, and I didn't notice a distinction in the Constitution between children and adults...
 
AlabamaPaul said:
I really don't care what the SCOTUS has ruled. They are humans and are subject to prejudices as we all are. I'm not a very PC person...
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Look, schools have a right to maintain some semblance of order. They are dealing with children, a lot of them petulant. I'm sure that when your children were small, they couldn't say whatever they liked to you and your wife. Were you restricting their rights? I don't think so. You are just being stubborn and trying to look upon children as though they are adults and expected to just behave like one. That's just not the case most of the time unfortunately.
 
AlabamaPaul said:
HS graduates are not children, and I didn't notice a distinction in the Constitution between children and adults...
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They most certainly are children until they are 18. That is when they gain their full rights and status as adults.
 
ChrisL said:
Respect for rules and how to follow them. That is just part of being a grown-up. :shrug: Grown-ups who don't follow rules are called "criminals." ;)
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Is that how we're downplaying tyranny nowadays....;) I see....
 
ChrisL said:
Look, schools have a right to maintain some semblance of order. They are dealing with children, a lot of them petulant. I'm sure that when your children were small, they couldn't say whatever they liked to you and your wife. Were you restricting their rights? I don't think so. You are just being stubborn and trying to look upon children as though they are adults and expected to just behave like one. That's just not the case most of the time unfortunately.
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What I did with regard to the discipline of my children was not subject to Constitutional review, and once more, these are not children...
 
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