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Valedictorian Defies School District and Recites Lord's Prayer [W:618]

Should the school have banned the reading of the prayer by the student?

  • Yes

    Votes: 24 27.3%
  • No

    Votes: 60 68.2%
  • Undecided

    Votes: 4 4.5%

  • Total voters
    88
It was a captive audience because people were there to see their child/relative graduate and not to see or hear an impromptu sermon. A "captive" audience doesn't actually mean that the audience is being held against their will you know. :roll:

Ok, then why does nobody cry foul when people gather at a Presidential Inauguration? They are there to see the new President, yet, they hear all sorts of things about God, the Bible, and prayer.
 
No it doesn't. People always have their individual rights....especially the right to pray as Jesus preferred....in silent....not like the hypocrites that like to pray in public so that others can see them and they can pretend to be all holy and righteous.....this idiot is a perfect example of the people that Christ spoke out against.

Christ did not say do not pray aloud, he said to not do it like the Pharisees, there is a HUGE difference.
 
no one.....but people don't have to listen to prayer if they don't want too, I am not against prayer, I pray myself, but today, other people don't want to hear it they should not have to if they are, at a assembly of many people, and its just sprung on them.

And like I said, they can either ignore or plug their ears if necessary. It's not like anyone was forced to say it along with the speaker.
 
first... I .am not against prayer.

but you as a citizen, don't have rights to use schools any way you feel.

I am not against students, getting together and praying, however I am against people taking things into there own hands, over the objections of other people.

So if someone objects, I should not do what is my right? Rights are only based on public opinion now?

The speech is a moment for the individual who through his own achievement is recognized for his or her hard work, and is given time to be recognized and express themselves to their class and the community. I personally find a greater offense that we are teaching our kids, as a last lesson that you may only express yourself so long as what you are expressing passes muster and gets approval by some "authority"

Free speech, but watch what you say.

The kid wasn't using schools anyway he feels, he was given a moment, he used that moment the way he saw fit. Glory be damned.

I say good for him, and if I met him I'd shake his hand and be proud to call him countryman.

I'd also leave him with a parting quote that I would hope he took to heart, one that I did long ago and have never regretted.

"Whoever lays his hand on me to govern me is a usurper and tyrant, and I declare him my enemy."
P.J. Proudhon

Live Free
 
so if someone objects, i should not do what is my right? Rights are only based on public opinion now?

The speech is a moment for the individual who through his own achievement is recognized for his or her hard work, and is given time to be recognized and express themselves to their class and the community. I personally find a greater offense that we are teaching our kids, as a last lesson that you may only express yourself so long as what you are expressing passes muster and gets approval by some "authority"

free speech, but watch what you say.

The kid wasn't using schools anyway he feels, he was given a moment, he used that moment the way he saw fit. Glory be damned.

I say good for him, and if i met him i'd shake his hand and be proud to call him countryman.

I'd also leave him with a parting quote that i would hope he took to heart, one that i did long ago and have never regretted.

"whoever lays his hand on me to govern me is a usurper and tyrant, and i declare him my enemy."
p.j. Proudhon

live free

for some reason, and iam not going to include you, people think they have rights on other peoples property, business, or public property, to execise any rights they chose, and this simply is not true.
 
63 pages and the basic facts havent changed

The school has every right to censor, limit or not allow a privileged speech that is given at a school function.

now with that said people can debate thier opinions all they want about whether the kid did a good thing, bad thing etc etc but if the facts wont change.
 
So if someone objects, I should not do what is my right? Rights are only based on public opinion now?

The speech is a moment for the individual who through his own achievement is recognized for his or her hard work, and is given time to be recognized and express themselves to their class and the community. I personally find a greater offense that we are teaching our kids, as a last lesson that you may only express yourself so long as what you are expressing passes muster and gets approval by some "authority"

Free speech, but watch what you say.

The kid wasn't using schools anyway he feels, he was given a moment, he used that moment the way he saw fit. Glory be damned.

I say good for him, and if I met him I'd shake his hand and be proud to call him countryman.

I'd also leave him with a parting quote that I would hope he took to heart, one that I did long ago and have never regretted.

"Whoever lays his hand on me to govern me is a usurper and tyrant, and I declare him my enemy."
P.J. Proudhon

Live Free

Look, you can argue the point all you want but the fact is you are wrong. Schools CAN and DO monitor and limit what students can and cannot say in speeches at school-sponsored events.

IF they didn't all hell would break lose. :roll:
 
63 pages and the basic facts havent changed

The school has every right to censor, limit or not allow a privileged speech that is given at a school function.

now with that said people can debate thier opinions all they want about whether the kid did a good thing, bad thing etc etc but if the facts wont change.

Exactly AJ. It obviously isn't sinking in some thick skulls.
 

I understand perfectly what's going on. The school preapproved a speech, and then the kid changed the speech without getting prior approval. This has NOTHING to do with free speech since it is at a school-sponsored event, and just about EVERY event preapproves speeches.
 
Do I have to post the link and copy and paste the contents AGAIN because apparently people can't read?
 
I understand perfectly what's going on. The school preapproved a speech, and then the kid changed the speech without getting prior approval. This has NOTHING to do with free speech since it is at a school-sponsored event, and just about EVERY event preapproves speeches.

Apparently you can't take humor. Lighten up.
 

While me and CHirsL most certainly dont agree on everything, nor do we have to she is 1000 times the poster you will ever be. Please stick to the topic and dont personally attack posters simply because they proved you wrong.
 
While me and CHirsL most certainly dont agree on everything, nor do we have to she is 1000 times the poster you will ever be. Please stick to the topic and dont personally attack posters simply because they proved you wrong.

Apparently you can't take humor either.
 
Speech is only free if it conforms to the liberal litmus test. If he recited a muslim prayer, the school admin would have given him an honorary doctorate, even if it was only high school.
 
Speech is only free if it conforms to the liberal litmus test. If he recited a muslim prayer, the school admin would have given him an honorary doctorate, even if it was only high school.

We see that with the military, a muslim prayer was offered over dead navy seals who were killed by Islamists...go figure..
 
Christ did not say do not pray aloud, he said to not do it like the Pharisees, there is a HUGE difference.

This kid is the epitome of the Pharisees. He isn't praying in his heart. He is praying so that he can be seen by others. This is EXACTLY what Christ was talking about and what so many "Christians" fail to understand.
 
We see that with the military, a muslim prayer was offered over dead navy seals who were killed by Islamists...go figure..

Really, did it happen at a graduation ceremony?
 
Apparently you can't take humor either.

actually i have an excellent sense of humor, in fact it was this sense that allowed me to determine you are not funny.

weird your the only one that got it, that should be your first hint right there.

like i said ChrisL is 1000 times the poster youll ever be and trying to insulting her, and failing, only makes that more true and evident
 
actually i have an excellent sense of humor, in fact it was this sense that allowed me to determine you are not funny.

weird your the only one that got it, that should be your first hint right there.

like i said ChrisL is 1000 times the poster youll ever be and trying to insulting her, and failing, only makes that more true and evident

I just think it is funny that you get upset over something that was a joke, as opposed to the personal insults you lash out post after post after post.
 
Speech is only free if it conforms to the liberal litmus test. If he recited a muslim prayer, the school admin would have given him an honorary doctorate, even if it was only high school.

Uh-oh! Hyperbole alert! :lamo
 
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