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Valedictorian Defies School District and Recites Lord's Prayer [W:618]

Should the school have banned the reading of the prayer by the student?

  • Yes

    Votes: 24 27.3%

  • No

    Votes: 60 68.2%

  • Undecided

    Votes: 4 4.5%
  • Total voters
    88
AGENT J said:
another dodge LMAO
Scotus proves me right and support my claim 100% as already proven with links, why do you lie LMAO

my statement was 100% true
facts and the thread history prove you wrong again.
like i said if you disagree by all means PLEASE PLEASE provide and factual proof to the contrary
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You lost.:cool:
 
Jack Hays said:
You lost.:cool:
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another dodge LMAO
Scotus proves me right and support my claim 100% as already proven with links, why do you lie LMAO

my statement was 100% true
facts and the thread history prove you wrong again.
like i said if you disagree by all means PLEASE PLEASE provide and factual proof to the contrary
 
AGENT J said:
another dodge LMAO
Scotus proves me right and support my claim 100% as already proven with links, why do you lie LMAO

my statement was 100% true
facts and the thread history prove you wrong again.
like i said if you disagree by all means PLEASE PLEASE provide and factual proof to the contrary
Click to expand...

You lost.:cool:
 
Jack Hays said:
You lost.:cool:
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another dodge
Scotus proves me right and support my claim 100% as already proven with links, why do you lie?

my statement was 100% true
facts and the thread history prove you wrong again.
like i said if you disagree by all means PLEASE PLEASE provide and factual proof to the contrary
 
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Jack Hays said:
You lost.:cool:
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Which raises one unanswered question: Since when has a valedictorian's speech been a political platform for one's own personal religious proclivities ? I thought it was all about getting the hell out of high school................................
 
AGENT J said:
another dodge LMAO
Scotus proves me right and support my claim 100% as already proven with links, why do you lie LMAO

my statement was 100% true
facts and the thread history prove you wrong again.
like i said if you disagree by all means PLEASE PLEASE provide and factual proof to the contrary
Click to expand...

You lost.:cool:
 
Jack Hays said:
You lost.:cool:
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another dodge
Scotus proves me right and support my claim 100% as already proven with links, why do you lie? lol

my statement was 100% true
facts and the thread history prove you wrong again.
like i said if you disagree by all means PLEASE PLEASE provide and factual proof to the contrary
 
Jack Hays said:
I know. I'm just curious how long he'll keep this up. :cool:

Good evening, AP.:2wave:
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As long as you care to respond. It doesn't matter about the content of the posts, only whether or not she thinks she is winning...
 
Jack Hays said:
I know. I'm just curious how long he'll keep this up. :cool:

Good evening, AP.:2wave:
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never, when there's not honest interesting conversation and debate going on my second favorite thing to do here is entertaining myself with dishonest posts and exposing lies.

as long as you keep lying and denying the facts ill keep posting them, theres nothing funnier than dishonest posts that are made over and over again to save face.

Scotus proves me right and supports my claim 100% as already proven with links

my statement was 100% true
"schools have the right to censor, limit and not allow a speech at a school function"

Main article: Bethel School District v. Fraser

In Fraser, a high school student was disciplined following his speech to a school assembly at which he nominated a fellow student for a student elective office. The speech contained sexual innuendos, but not obscenity. The Supreme Court found that school officials could discipline the student. In doing so, it recognized that "[t]he process of educating our youth for citizenship in public schools is not confined to books, the curriculum, and the civics class; schools must teach by example the shared values of a civilized social order." Recognizing that one of the important purposes of public education is to inculcate the habits and manners of civility as valued conducive both to happiness and to the practice of self-government, the Supreme Court emphasized that: "Consciously or otherwise, teachers--and indeed the older students--demonstrate the appropriate form of civil discourse and political expression by their conduct and deportment in and out of class." [6] Under the Fraser standard, school officials look not merely to the reasonable risk of disruption—the Tinker standard—but would also balance the freedom of a student's speech rights against the school's interest in teaching students the boundaries of socially appropriate behavior. Schools have discretion to curtail not only obscene speech, but speech that is vulgar, lewd, indecent or plainly offensive.
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Main article: Hazelwood School District v. Kuhlmeier

The Hazelwood School District case applies the principles set forth in Fraser to curricular matters. In Hazelwood, the Supreme Court upheld a school's decision to censor certain articles in the school newspaper which was produced as part of the school's journalism curriculum. Echoing Fraser, the Supreme Court observed that "[a] school need not tolerate student speech that is inconsistent with 'its basic educational mission' ... even though the government could not censor similar speech outside the school." School authorities and educators do not offend the First Amendment by exercising editorial control over the style and content of student speech in school-sponsored expressive activities so long as their actions are reasonably related to legitimate pedagogical concerns.[7]
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facts and the thread history prove you wrong again.

tell me that cool line about losing again?
sorry you lost my statement was 100% true

like i said if you disagree by all means PLEASE PLEASE provide and factual proof to the contrary
 
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Bonzai said:
Which raises one unanswered question: Since when has a valedictorian's speech been a political platform for one's own personal religious proclivities ? I thought it was all about getting the hell out of high school................................
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It's the valedictorian's message, whatever that happens to be.:cool:
 
Oh jesh The Lord's Prayer again. Might as well recite the lyrics to freebird or stairway to heaven
 
AGENT J said:
another dodge
Scotus proves me right and support my claim 100% as already proven with links, why do you lie? lol

my statement was 100% true
facts and the thread history prove you wrong again.
like i said if you disagree by all means PLEASE PLEASE provide and factual proof to the contrary
Click to expand...

You lost.:cool:
 
AGENT J said:
never, when there's not honest interesting conversation and debate going on my second favorite thing to do here is entertaining myself with dishonest posts and exposing lies.

as long as you keep lying and denying the facts ill keep posting them, theres nothing funnier than dishonest posts that are made over and over again to save face.

Scotus proves me right and supports my claim 100% as already proven with links

my statement was 100% true
facts and the thread history prove you wrong again.
like i said if you disagree by all means PLEASE PLEASE provide and factual proof to the contrary
Click to expand...

You lost.:cool:
 
Jack Hays said:
It's the valedictorian's message, whatever that happens to be.:cool:
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I don't want to sound cruel, but I often get the impression that Conservatives in general, and Southern Conservatives in particular, live in this daydream world configured solely by the concepts they learned in elementary level Sunday school.............................
 
Bonzai said:
I don't want to sound cruel, but I often get the impression the Conservatives in general, and Southern Conservatives in particular, live in this daydream world configured solely by the concepts they learned in elementary level Sunday school.............................
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Why change now?
 
Bonzai said:
I don't want to sound cruel, but I often get the impression the Conservatives in general, and Southern Conservatives in particular, live in this daydream world configured solely by the concepts they learned in elementary level Sunday school.............................
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You're not cruel, you're just prejudiced.:cool:
 
Bonzai said:
I don't want to sound cruel, but I often get the impression that Conservatives in general, and Southern Conservatives in particular, live in this daydream world configured solely by the concepts they learned in elementary level Sunday school.............................
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We got a saying in these parts. Why broke what ain't fixed?
 
Jack Hays said:
You lost.:cool:
Click to expand...

Scotus proves me right and supports my claim 100% as already proven with links

my statement was 100% true
"schools have the right to censor, limit and not allow a speech at a school function"

Main article: Bethel School District v. Fraser

In Fraser, a high school student was disciplined following his speech to a school assembly at which he nominated a fellow student for a student elective office. The speech contained sexual innuendos, but not obscenity. The Supreme Court found that school officials could discipline the student. In doing so, it recognized that "[t]he process of educating our youth for citizenship in public schools is not confined to books, the curriculum, and the civics class; schools must teach by example the shared values of a civilized social order." Recognizing that one of the important purposes of public education is to inculcate the habits and manners of civility as valued conducive both to happiness and to the practice of self-government, the Supreme Court emphasized that: "Consciously or otherwise, teachers--and indeed the older students--demonstrate the appropriate form of civil discourse and political expression by their conduct and deportment in and out of class." [6] Under the Fraser standard, school officials look not merely to the reasonable risk of disruption—the Tinker standard—but would also balance the freedom of a student's speech rights against the school's interest in teaching students the boundaries of socially appropriate behavior. Schools have discretion to curtail not only obscene speech, but speech that is vulgar, lewd, indecent or plainly offensive.
Click to expand...

Main article: Hazelwood School District v. Kuhlmeier

The Hazelwood School District case applies the principles set forth in Fraser to curricular matters. In Hazelwood, the Supreme Court upheld a school's decision to censor certain articles in the school newspaper which was produced as part of the school's journalism curriculum. Echoing Fraser, the Supreme Court observed that "[a] school need not tolerate student speech that is inconsistent with 'its basic educational mission' ... even though the government could not censor similar speech outside the school." School authorities and educators do not offend the First Amendment by exercising editorial control over the style and content of student speech in school-sponsored expressive activities so long as their actions are reasonably related to legitimate pedagogical concerns.[7]
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facts and the thread history prove you wrong again.

tell me that cool line about losing again?
sorry you lost, lol my statement was 100% true

like i said if you disagree by all means PLEASE PLEASE provide and factual proof to the contrary
 
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